A Response to the Critics
By Kimberly Daniels
Many people have blasted Charisma for asking questions about Barack Obama. It is time to stop arguing and get on God’s side.
God often wakes me up at 5 a.m. This morning He woke me up, but something was different. I felt like wailing in the spirit. A radical feeling I’ve never had before rose up inside me.
God was dealing with me about the upcoming election. My spirit was grieved because people were calling the editor of Charisma, Lee Grady, a racist. I wrote a column in Charisma’s November 2008 issue in which I criticized Barack Obama. Am I a racist? If you know anything about me I am black to the bone and cannot rightfully be called an Uncle Tom. Lee and I stand for what we believe is righteous. Do we have that right?
“If all the aborted babies killed in the United States could come back to life, who would they vote for in this upcoming election?”
I read all the responses on the Charisma forum (fireinmybones.com) and I have a response to those who want to attack Lee Grady. He and I are on the same side! Many do not see it, but lines have already been drawn, and we have to look around and see who is standing with us.
Are we standing with Hollywood? The homosexual activists? The Democrats? The Republicans? The world? Personally, I renounce all of them because I know that they are a part of the broad and the wide that God speaks of. I stand for what is right! What is right can be rooted only in what is righteous!
I think we need to get some things straight. I am not standing with white people or Charisma. I am standing for what I have been standing for every since God delivered me from the whorehouse. I have been preaching the same message since the devils were cast out of me.
The problem is that a lot of preachers have changed their messages for one reason only: They have switched sides! You did not just change your mind; you switched sides!
Let’s not argue about whose side is right. We can agree that a line has already been drawn in the spirit. We can go further to say that somebody is wrong and somebody is right.
I have no choice but to address issues from the position of a believer. That is who I am, and its dictates how I stand and who I stand with. This is not based on friendship, family or even preference. I simply do not have a choice. You never pick sides on issues like this. Just stick to God’s Word and you will end up where you are supposed to be. Remember, God does not take sides; He takes over!
Consider the following:
1. Either it is OK for Barack Obama to blaspheme Romans 1 and call it “insignificant,” or I am on the right side.
2. Either Obama’s voting against Amendment 2 (which states only that marriage is between one woman and one man, and does not stop gay couples from getting insurance rights or visiting each other in hospitals) is OK, or I am on the right side.
3. Either delivering babies up to nine months in a breach position up to where only the head is left in the womb, stabbing them in the back of the neck and sucking their brains out should be legal, or I am on the right side.
4. Either laws that prevent me from preaching the truth about homosexuality, require that I hire one gay person for every so many employees, or force me as a minister to marry same-sex couples or be sued should be passed, or I am on the right side.
5. Either secular humanism (which focuses on the rights of men) should be a priority in America and put before the laws of God, or I am on the right side.
6. Either practicing homosexuals are going to heaven, and there is no devil or hell, and Obama is a born-again believer, or I am on the right side.
You may argue that we cannot say who is a Christian and who is not, and you are right. But the Word of God says we can judge the tree by the fruit that it bears, and we have to know those who labor among us. I am not comparing Sen. Obama to Sen. McCain; I am comparing him to the Word of God. Everything I stand for as a believer, Obama is against!
If you disagree, keep on trucking. This is America, and I have a right to share my view. There are too many people who are confused or afraid to say how they feel, and I need to let them know that they are not alone. All blacks are not blinded by Obama.
Ease up on Lee Grady! Is he a racist because he is saying what he believes? I encourage my other white brothers and sisters to speak up and stand for what they believe. Do not be intimidated by blacks who will accuse you of being a racist because you have godly values!
Even if someone gave me a billion dollars, I could not vote for Obama. (For the right price, would your vote swing either way?) But if he wins, I will pray for him as the Bible teaches me to do.
I am sick of hearing Christians crying about the economy. Matthews 6 says this is what the heathens do. God says we should not worry about what we will eat, drink or wear. It is unscriptural for church folk to depend on any man (or the economy) to meet their needs.
No one wants to admit that the Democrats have been in office a few years, and I haven’t seen them change anything but their minds. I do not have a Democratic or Republican mind-set! I am a born-again believer, and I have the mind of Christ.
God also said that we should seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness. It goes on to say that all we need will be added to us. This word “added” means a “cycle of blessings.” If you maintain the right mind-set during this current financial crunch, you will experience the cycle of blessing that is reserved for the saints. The “cain’ts” and the “ain’ts” will not eat of it!
Today we are standing on Mount Carmel. King Omri sold out when he allowed his son Ahab to marry the witch, Jezebel. The marriage sealed a deal he made with the pagans of that day for economic prosperity. Great trade opened up in the land. Everybody was happy except God!
The Baal worshippers set up their temples next to the God of Israel. They did not want just a right to worship; they wanted equal rights! I believe in equality for all men, but men cross the line when they attempt to be equal to God.
It started in heaven, came through the garden and is resting on America day. Men want to be “like God”! This is what secular humanism is all about, putting the rights of man over the Word of God. They did it at the tower of Babel. Nimrod taught the people that they did not have to fear God after the flood.
People have attempted to build a modern-day tower to heaven in America, but just as it happened in the book of Genesis, the Holy Trinity came down to earth to stop it. It is not just because of the Bush administration that the economy is where it is. God has come down to America, and folks are too busy crying to even notice it.
There is no candidate that can get us out of this mess. We may as well repent and vote morally right. If we do this we can pray to the Lord of the Harvest and He will send His abundance.
Let’s stop killing innocent babies in America, and the land will begin to yield her increase again. You may say, what about the deaths in Iraq? There were deaths in the wars God ordained in the Bible. I never read a Scripture that God had a problem with them.
He did have a problem with people sacrificing their babies to Chemosh and Molech. Innocent bloodshed is major on God’s agenda! And by the way, every soldier that went to Iraq signed up. Nobody was drafted.
The babies that have been slaughtered never signed up to be killed. They were drafted by laws that never considered their rights. And most importantly, they never got a chance to vote! If all the aborted babies killed in the United States could come back to life, who would they vote for?
When Elijah commanded the sky to dry up he was not putting on a show. He was coming up against an economic system that was rooted in idol worship.
The people were praying to Baal to provide rain for their crops. This is why the widow woman was about to eat her last meal and die. She was a Baal worshipper! The idolaters were crying out to their god, and the second heaven was shut to them.
America has been known to be one of the most moral countries in the world. If we (both black people and white people) do not turn from our wicked ways and repent, our country will be just as perverted as some of the countries overseas. America has never been perfect, but she has previously been known to have values.
But we have allowed Hollywood, CNN, Fox, the NAACP and other popular people, places and organizations to be our prophets for many years. Now the voices of the real prophets are mocked, just as in the time of Noah. The people mocked Noah until he entered the ark.
Noah is about to enter the ark in the Spirit! God will shut the mouths of the logicians, statisticians, demonic gatekeepers and prognosticators. The liberal gurus of the media are about to eat their words. God will have the last say!
Many say that the issue in this election is not race. I beg to differ. I have talked to many blacks who disagree with Obama on many things. They still look me in the eye and say, “I am voting for him because I want to see a black man as the president of the United States in my lifetime.”
Many had a shift in their mind-set when Colin Powell endorsed Obama. I respect Colin Powell, but if he is on Obama’s side, he is not the one, either!
It may be true that you are voting for Obama for other reasons, but the fact remains that many people support him for one reason only—because he is black. I live where the rubber meets the road. I do not have a megachurch, and I am not promoting an agenda for you to send money to my ministry or buy my books.
For those of you who think that all preachers have a price, please do not send one dime or buy one book from my ministry. Do not even log onto my Web site if what I am saying offends you. This message is for those who have ears to hear what I am saying and want to know the truth. I am calling all of you who know you have committed spiritual mutiny to get back on the wall!
Come and join me for a cause that’s greater than your individual calling! Let the world, heaven and hell know that we are not moving from the foundation of our salvation.
We must be politically and morally correct as Psalms 11 requires believers to be. If this foundation is destroyed, what can we, as the church, do? Justice has been falling in the streets of America while we have been playing church.
We have gotten into such a backslidden state in America that we need a law to define marriage as being between one man and one woman. Laws have already been passed in some states that make it illegal for anyone to refer to a couple as “husband” and “wife.” They must be referred to as “partners.”
The devil is a liar, and this will not happen in Florida on my watch! I pray that you will be a gatekeeper where you live, too.
Speaking of gatekeepers, for you preachers who are submitting your anointing to denominations that want to debate the issue of homosexuality, you will be judged first. This matter cannot even have a hearing in the third heaven. To debate this issue, you must hang out in second-heaven activity. It is totally demonic.
I also suggest that you down-low brothers in the pulpits and congregations back up and be quiet. You do not qualify to speak. I love you, but do not call me or write a letter unless you want the devil cast out of you! You stay on your side and I will stay on mine.
Keep posting your comments on blogs behind the scenes as you have been doing. The Lord has showed me who many of you are. Be delivered or be busted out!
I have the privilege of praying for the young boys in the church whom you seduce, and my heart is broken over the matter. There are certain things that are sins, and we all have sinned in some way. But what you do is an abomination.
As a prophet of God I prophesy that five of you have six months to repent and wholeheartedly turn the other way, or God is coming to visit you. This thing must be because judgment must start in His house!
You have helped the homosexual agenda against the church with your secret lifestyle. You have turned the offerings of God into filthy lucre, and the stench is strong in the nostrils of God.
No longer shall you be a breeder in the temple. Your demonic reproduction is about to be cut off. Many of you judge Carlton Pearson, but your penalty shall be greater. For you have remained in the house and have been a spiritual reproach.
It is not too late; your tormentors can be released from you, and your sleep can come back to you. But you must move in season or you will never get another chance. The spirit of reprobation is knocking at your door.
God is especially dealing with the foul spirit in the black church and the gospel music industry. There is safety, especially for you now. For the spirits that have hidden you and concealed your filth are about to turn on you and uncover the mud. I speak this to you by the Spirit of the Most High God, and not one word of what I have spoken will fall to the ground.
In closing, let me say that I am not trying to be political. This is a spiritual battle. I am not running for office, and I receive no fringe benefits from anyone who is. I simply stand firm for the Word of God.
As a result, I am required to be against some things. I am not against homosexuals. I am against the homosexual agenda and any person who attempts to stop me from getting my gay brothers and sisters free.
I have employees who have come out of the lifestyle, and gay people attend my church--but they are trying to get delivered. We treat them with love but do not provide a place for them to flaunt their lifestyle.
I also believe that there are instances in which an abortion may be necessary. My fight is against abortion as birth control. Used in this way, it is a human sacrifice.
I am guilty of abortion and have repented. A prophet told me recently that he dreamed he was in heaven. He said he saw two baby boys waiting to meet me in heaven. His words had to be from God because no one knew.
I had an abortion when I was 15, but the procedure was incomplete. I remember being in the bathroom stall at my school with baby parts coming out of me. I am not on a guilt trip, but I have a healthy compassion to save the innocent lives of the unborn. I VOTE FOR THEM!
The attached pictures may be hard to look at, but my prayer is that when you see them, you will understand that somebody has to stop the mutilation of innocent human beings. Obama said that it is above his pay grade to determine when a person receives human rights. I would be afraid to have a leader over so many lives in this country who does not understand life from beginning to end. You cannot help me to get where I am going if you do not know the essence of where I came from.
Let everything that has breath (and babies have breath at conception) praise the Lord! We really cannot stop these babies from praising the Lord. They will do it either here or in heaven. The only difference is that if they do it here, there will be no blood on our hands!
Kimberly Daniels is founder of Spoken Word Ministries and Rhema Way City Church in Jacksonville, Florida. Visit her on the Web at Kimberlydaniels.com.
Many people have blasted Charisma for asking questions about Barack Obama. It is time to stop arguing and get on God’s side.God often wakes me up at 5 a.m. This morning He woke me up, but something was different. I felt like wailing in the spirit. A radical feeling I’ve never had before rose up inside me.
God was dealing with me about the upcoming election. My spirit was grieved because people were calling the editor of Charisma, Lee Grady, a racist. I wrote a column in Charisma’s November 2008 issue in which I criticized Barack Obama. Am I a racist? If you know anything about me I am black to the bone and cannot rightfully be called an Uncle Tom. Lee and I stand for what we believe is righteous. Do we have that right?
“If all the aborted babies killed in the United States could come back to life, who would they vote for in this upcoming election?”
I read all the responses on the Charisma forum (fireinmybones.com) and I have a response to those who want to attack Lee Grady. He and I are on the same side! Many do not see it, but lines have already been drawn, and we have to look around and see who is standing with us.
Are we standing with Hollywood? The homosexual activists? The Democrats? The Republicans? The world? Personally, I renounce all of them because I know that they are a part of the broad and the wide that God speaks of. I stand for what is right! What is right can be rooted only in what is righteous!
I think we need to get some things straight. I am not standing with white people or Charisma. I am standing for what I have been standing for every since God delivered me from the whorehouse. I have been preaching the same message since the devils were cast out of me.
The problem is that a lot of preachers have changed their messages for one reason only: They have switched sides! You did not just change your mind; you switched sides!
Let’s not argue about whose side is right. We can agree that a line has already been drawn in the spirit. We can go further to say that somebody is wrong and somebody is right.
I have no choice but to address issues from the position of a believer. That is who I am, and its dictates how I stand and who I stand with. This is not based on friendship, family or even preference. I simply do not have a choice. You never pick sides on issues like this. Just stick to God’s Word and you will end up where you are supposed to be. Remember, God does not take sides; He takes over!
Consider the following:
1. Either it is OK for Barack Obama to blaspheme Romans 1 and call it “insignificant,” or I am on the right side.
2. Either Obama’s voting against Amendment 2 (which states only that marriage is between one woman and one man, and does not stop gay couples from getting insurance rights or visiting each other in hospitals) is OK, or I am on the right side.
3. Either delivering babies up to nine months in a breach position up to where only the head is left in the womb, stabbing them in the back of the neck and sucking their brains out should be legal, or I am on the right side.
4. Either laws that prevent me from preaching the truth about homosexuality, require that I hire one gay person for every so many employees, or force me as a minister to marry same-sex couples or be sued should be passed, or I am on the right side.
5. Either secular humanism (which focuses on the rights of men) should be a priority in America and put before the laws of God, or I am on the right side.
6. Either practicing homosexuals are going to heaven, and there is no devil or hell, and Obama is a born-again believer, or I am on the right side.
You may argue that we cannot say who is a Christian and who is not, and you are right. But the Word of God says we can judge the tree by the fruit that it bears, and we have to know those who labor among us. I am not comparing Sen. Obama to Sen. McCain; I am comparing him to the Word of God. Everything I stand for as a believer, Obama is against!
If you disagree, keep on trucking. This is America, and I have a right to share my view. There are too many people who are confused or afraid to say how they feel, and I need to let them know that they are not alone. All blacks are not blinded by Obama.
Ease up on Lee Grady! Is he a racist because he is saying what he believes? I encourage my other white brothers and sisters to speak up and stand for what they believe. Do not be intimidated by blacks who will accuse you of being a racist because you have godly values!
Even if someone gave me a billion dollars, I could not vote for Obama. (For the right price, would your vote swing either way?) But if he wins, I will pray for him as the Bible teaches me to do.
I am sick of hearing Christians crying about the economy. Matthews 6 says this is what the heathens do. God says we should not worry about what we will eat, drink or wear. It is unscriptural for church folk to depend on any man (or the economy) to meet their needs.
No one wants to admit that the Democrats have been in office a few years, and I haven’t seen them change anything but their minds. I do not have a Democratic or Republican mind-set! I am a born-again believer, and I have the mind of Christ.
God also said that we should seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness. It goes on to say that all we need will be added to us. This word “added” means a “cycle of blessings.” If you maintain the right mind-set during this current financial crunch, you will experience the cycle of blessing that is reserved for the saints. The “cain’ts” and the “ain’ts” will not eat of it!
Today we are standing on Mount Carmel. King Omri sold out when he allowed his son Ahab to marry the witch, Jezebel. The marriage sealed a deal he made with the pagans of that day for economic prosperity. Great trade opened up in the land. Everybody was happy except God!
The Baal worshippers set up their temples next to the God of Israel. They did not want just a right to worship; they wanted equal rights! I believe in equality for all men, but men cross the line when they attempt to be equal to God.
It started in heaven, came through the garden and is resting on America day. Men want to be “like God”! This is what secular humanism is all about, putting the rights of man over the Word of God. They did it at the tower of Babel. Nimrod taught the people that they did not have to fear God after the flood.
People have attempted to build a modern-day tower to heaven in America, but just as it happened in the book of Genesis, the Holy Trinity came down to earth to stop it. It is not just because of the Bush administration that the economy is where it is. God has come down to America, and folks are too busy crying to even notice it.
There is no candidate that can get us out of this mess. We may as well repent and vote morally right. If we do this we can pray to the Lord of the Harvest and He will send His abundance.
Let’s stop killing innocent babies in America, and the land will begin to yield her increase again. You may say, what about the deaths in Iraq? There were deaths in the wars God ordained in the Bible. I never read a Scripture that God had a problem with them.
He did have a problem with people sacrificing their babies to Chemosh and Molech. Innocent bloodshed is major on God’s agenda! And by the way, every soldier that went to Iraq signed up. Nobody was drafted.
The babies that have been slaughtered never signed up to be killed. They were drafted by laws that never considered their rights. And most importantly, they never got a chance to vote! If all the aborted babies killed in the United States could come back to life, who would they vote for?
When Elijah commanded the sky to dry up he was not putting on a show. He was coming up against an economic system that was rooted in idol worship.
The people were praying to Baal to provide rain for their crops. This is why the widow woman was about to eat her last meal and die. She was a Baal worshipper! The idolaters were crying out to their god, and the second heaven was shut to them.
America has been known to be one of the most moral countries in the world. If we (both black people and white people) do not turn from our wicked ways and repent, our country will be just as perverted as some of the countries overseas. America has never been perfect, but she has previously been known to have values.
But we have allowed Hollywood, CNN, Fox, the NAACP and other popular people, places and organizations to be our prophets for many years. Now the voices of the real prophets are mocked, just as in the time of Noah. The people mocked Noah until he entered the ark.
Noah is about to enter the ark in the Spirit! God will shut the mouths of the logicians, statisticians, demonic gatekeepers and prognosticators. The liberal gurus of the media are about to eat their words. God will have the last say!
Many say that the issue in this election is not race. I beg to differ. I have talked to many blacks who disagree with Obama on many things. They still look me in the eye and say, “I am voting for him because I want to see a black man as the president of the United States in my lifetime.”
Many had a shift in their mind-set when Colin Powell endorsed Obama. I respect Colin Powell, but if he is on Obama’s side, he is not the one, either!
It may be true that you are voting for Obama for other reasons, but the fact remains that many people support him for one reason only—because he is black. I live where the rubber meets the road. I do not have a megachurch, and I am not promoting an agenda for you to send money to my ministry or buy my books.
For those of you who think that all preachers have a price, please do not send one dime or buy one book from my ministry. Do not even log onto my Web site if what I am saying offends you. This message is for those who have ears to hear what I am saying and want to know the truth. I am calling all of you who know you have committed spiritual mutiny to get back on the wall!
Come and join me for a cause that’s greater than your individual calling! Let the world, heaven and hell know that we are not moving from the foundation of our salvation.
We must be politically and morally correct as Psalms 11 requires believers to be. If this foundation is destroyed, what can we, as the church, do? Justice has been falling in the streets of America while we have been playing church.
We have gotten into such a backslidden state in America that we need a law to define marriage as being between one man and one woman. Laws have already been passed in some states that make it illegal for anyone to refer to a couple as “husband” and “wife.” They must be referred to as “partners.”
The devil is a liar, and this will not happen in Florida on my watch! I pray that you will be a gatekeeper where you live, too.
Speaking of gatekeepers, for you preachers who are submitting your anointing to denominations that want to debate the issue of homosexuality, you will be judged first. This matter cannot even have a hearing in the third heaven. To debate this issue, you must hang out in second-heaven activity. It is totally demonic.
I also suggest that you down-low brothers in the pulpits and congregations back up and be quiet. You do not qualify to speak. I love you, but do not call me or write a letter unless you want the devil cast out of you! You stay on your side and I will stay on mine.
Keep posting your comments on blogs behind the scenes as you have been doing. The Lord has showed me who many of you are. Be delivered or be busted out!
I have the privilege of praying for the young boys in the church whom you seduce, and my heart is broken over the matter. There are certain things that are sins, and we all have sinned in some way. But what you do is an abomination.
As a prophet of God I prophesy that five of you have six months to repent and wholeheartedly turn the other way, or God is coming to visit you. This thing must be because judgment must start in His house!
You have helped the homosexual agenda against the church with your secret lifestyle. You have turned the offerings of God into filthy lucre, and the stench is strong in the nostrils of God.
No longer shall you be a breeder in the temple. Your demonic reproduction is about to be cut off. Many of you judge Carlton Pearson, but your penalty shall be greater. For you have remained in the house and have been a spiritual reproach.
It is not too late; your tormentors can be released from you, and your sleep can come back to you. But you must move in season or you will never get another chance. The spirit of reprobation is knocking at your door.
God is especially dealing with the foul spirit in the black church and the gospel music industry. There is safety, especially for you now. For the spirits that have hidden you and concealed your filth are about to turn on you and uncover the mud. I speak this to you by the Spirit of the Most High God, and not one word of what I have spoken will fall to the ground.
In closing, let me say that I am not trying to be political. This is a spiritual battle. I am not running for office, and I receive no fringe benefits from anyone who is. I simply stand firm for the Word of God.
As a result, I am required to be against some things. I am not against homosexuals. I am against the homosexual agenda and any person who attempts to stop me from getting my gay brothers and sisters free.
I have employees who have come out of the lifestyle, and gay people attend my church--but they are trying to get delivered. We treat them with love but do not provide a place for them to flaunt their lifestyle.
I also believe that there are instances in which an abortion may be necessary. My fight is against abortion as birth control. Used in this way, it is a human sacrifice.
I am guilty of abortion and have repented. A prophet told me recently that he dreamed he was in heaven. He said he saw two baby boys waiting to meet me in heaven. His words had to be from God because no one knew.
I had an abortion when I was 15, but the procedure was incomplete. I remember being in the bathroom stall at my school with baby parts coming out of me. I am not on a guilt trip, but I have a healthy compassion to save the innocent lives of the unborn. I VOTE FOR THEM!
The attached pictures may be hard to look at, but my prayer is that when you see them, you will understand that somebody has to stop the mutilation of innocent human beings. Obama said that it is above his pay grade to determine when a person receives human rights. I would be afraid to have a leader over so many lives in this country who does not understand life from beginning to end. You cannot help me to get where I am going if you do not know the essence of where I came from.
Let everything that has breath (and babies have breath at conception) praise the Lord! We really cannot stop these babies from praising the Lord. They will do it either here or in heaven. The only difference is that if they do it here, there will be no blood on our hands!
Kimberly Daniels is founder of Spoken Word Ministries and Rhema Way City Church in Jacksonville, Florida. Visit her on the Web at Kimberlydaniels.com.

135 Comments:
Thank your for your honesty and passion. It seems that the liberal media wants to keep us quiet and focus on the race card.
As a white man, it is hard for me to fully comprehend what the black race has suffered over the centuries. It hurts inside that we cannot come together as one people, Christians first and as Americans to fulfill Gods will for our country.
Continue to be BOLD. Your voice wil be heard.
With love,
Jacques
Thank you kimberly for being so honest and upfront and for standing up for the truth.
It is such a shame that so many christians in the body of Christ choses to look the other way and not stand up for Jesus. It shows that there is still a ways to go for spiritual maturity in the church.
Stay strong my sister,
Jahaira G.
Thanks,Pastor Kim, I am standing and praying in repentance these days. Not only for myself, but for the America & the body of Christ. We must use this time to repent and cry out to the Father. I believe if one does not repent, five-fold included, You will be exposed!! If you are a child of God, reminder, SINNERS!! have no part with him..... If we love him, we will keep his commandements. The first is to LOVE him with all of our heart,mind,soul. This is the first commandment. Body of Christ, Let's return back to our first love!!!
Deb
Thank you Pastor for having the guts to take a stand for what's right. I have seen so much prejudice coming from people that I thought was sold out to Jesus but have gotten so caught up in politics they seem to have forgotten that we as Christians, must put God first. I get very concerned when the christian and secular community is in complete agreement on anything. As a christian black I have never felt so isolated from my brothers and sisters in Christ as I do now. But no matter what happens "As for me and my house we will serve the Lord". Keep preaching the gospel and keeping it real my SISTER.
May God bless and keep you in His service always.
Enough is Enough!
It really saddens me to see how divided the Body of Christ (has become during the process of this election. One would have to know that our division is greater than the division of John McCain and Barack Obama. You see when this is all over; no matter who wins they will both go back to Washington and work together on the things that govern our world. However in the church, walls that we had made great stride in breaking through have now once again been resurrected to cause an even greater division than there was before. The racial divide, conservative Christian verses liberal Christian, radicals verses the reserved, and yes, even the judgment of each other’s Christianity if they vote for a certain candidate.
What troubles me most is how we (the church) have begun to look to our world’s government in order to seemingly determine how God’s will for us should play out. Whether it’s the healing of our nation or wholeness that is needed in our churches, we seem to have forgotten that the most important and effective place and role that the church can ever play is on our knees. 2Chron 7:14 lets us know that if we would just seek, pray and turn, we could make a greater impact on our world than we ever could by using Spiritual manipulation in order to promote our own agendas. Biblically, it never mattered what King was in charge when God was ready to impact the earth and move His people into alignment with His purposes.
And heaven knows, He sure doesn’t need leaders who supposedly represent Him to break the laws of the land in order to force His will in the earth. It’s a very sad day when leaders of God’s people are acting contrary to the very things that they are instructing others to obey.
Regarding the abortion issue:
While I am totally pro-life (meaning that I thoroughly believe that life begins at conception and abortion is against God’s will), we must know that though the law may assist in controlling crime, it is and never will be what prevents others from committing acts of crime. It’s simply grace which is also the very reason that Christ had to come. Outside of God’s grace in our lives, we are all subject to being a murderer or a thief, or any other criminal act as described by the law. What has happened to the church? How did we allow “our culture” to begin to lead “God’s Church?” It’s quite evident that the real answer and a much better approach to this much publicized issue of abortion relies on the church being positioned to offer God’s grace to all those who may be lost. Rather than expressing God’s position on abortion by manipulating God’s people to believe that His will now come through the world’s government, we should teach God’s people to position themselves on their knees and begin to reach out to those who are faced with this issue and offer God’s grace which is by far the greatest approach of not just controlling abortion, but also prevention as well.
Samiour L. Patterson, author of
“Discipleship or Deception”
My take on the whole political polarization going on amongst christians appears to be very different from all the things I've been reading here of late, that I felt a need to present another line of thinking to all of us. Let it be known that I am black.
When our Lord walked this earth, at no time do we see Him condemning those in authority, but rather we see Him admonishing us to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's.
The whole of Israel were on the look out a change in government to deliver them from the oppression on ground, but what our Lord presented to them was the possibility of a change of heart, so they could bare joyfully, by His grace, whatever kind of authority they were under for they had an government that would soon be brought to bare on the whole of humanity.
Paul's admonition to Timothy was to pray for all men, first and foremost those in authority, that the church may live a quiet and peaceable life in godliness and honesty. It states further on that God's desire is that all should be saved, hence we can deduce that those in authority were not saved.
Since when did legislation change the heart of a man?
We have quickly forgotten recent history, the time of prohibition and how it lead to many unscrupulous individuals and organizations making serious money bootlegging alcohol. This latter gave rise to organized crime, a problem still being dealt with today.
I do not support abortion nor homosexuality, but just coming up with laws that drive such practices underground does not adddress these issues.
Christians who casts their votes on these issues are looking to government and legislation to change a decadent wicked disposition of the heart which human law cannot do.
The Pharisses and Saducees of old lived up to the standards of moral law, but missed God altogether. If we are not careful we run the risk of doing the same.
The real hope of transforming a life can only be done by the work of His Holy Spirit.
Why are we seeking to use physical weapons to fight a spiritual battle?
Rather than looking to a man we should be looking to Him, praying to Him and being true witnesses for Him, not playing 'church' and politics.
If the USA is going to a change for righteousness, it is not going to be because of it's president or it's politics, it is going to happen because it's people, on an individual basis have made a personal commitment to seek first His kingdom and His way of being and doing right.
If My people that are called by My Name shall humble themselves, seek My face, I will firgive their sins and heal their land.
Stop the I'm of Obama and I'm of McCain talk and get out there to affect those who are considering abortion, those who are homosexual.
Pray for them. Help them see that there is indeed a more excellent way.
Stop playing politics and get on your knees and pray. Not for a man, but for your nation and allow the Lord to do what He deems best.
Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof. Receive His grace for today's challenges and allow tomnorrow to care of itself.
God bless you all.
Kim,
Our current spirit filled president lied about the IRAQ war. 4500 innocent USA soldiers are dead, over 600,000 innocent Iraq civilians are dead including women and children. Thousands maimed for life. We spend billions in Iraq war and billions of people are without food and shelter all over the world and here in USA. We a broken economy and millions without basic healthcare and dying everyday for luck of access to healthcare. The so called spirit filled leaders and party does not care about the poor and the needy but for the rich people. What about the moral failure we have seen in the repulican party, sin is sin. Sin does not have political affiliation. God is not a republican.
Kim,
Aman-Tell it like it is! To the last poster-Anonymous-Pastor Kim was not defending the Republicans and she did not state the the Republicans were the party of God. We have a choice in this election. Yes, the Repulicans, including George Bush, have sinful flaws also. I agree with Pastor Kim. We need need to repent and come back to the Lord as a nation-both Democrats and Republicans.
I find it strange that you or no one else talk about Senator McCain committing adultery,leaving his first wife when she was ill due to an accident. But I guess that is not a sin. Also, I think if we are going to use scripture to make a point we should not strip the scripture and in this case it begins in Romans 1:18-32 it is talking about people who not only lead a corrupt life style but who don't believe in God. These passages of scripture also talk about (Romans 1:29-30) unrighteousness, sexual immorality (which includes fornication and adultery), wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness, backbiters, haters of God,violent(war),proud,boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful etc. These are things affecting the church and affecting the world today also .
Pastor Kim,
That was a dynamic article, Your honesty is beautiful, for so many leaders are not willing to show where they are coming from.
Hearing your experience of what you have been through and your experience with gays in your church and your experience with abortion that sheds new light on your passion. I don't like all the fighting this has caused. The point you made about people using abortion as birth control is a strong point, one that is overlooked. I think all abortion is wrong. I think there must be more strategic ways of getting this info out. The abortion rate is so high because of people just uses it as birth control. When you make your point, you should not leave that point out. I think this fact will enable others to see your point even better. I think eventually if the church repent we can have revival and people will get saved and not want to do those things anymore.
I think there must be a new stategy to bring some changes in this area along with prayer because it has divided us all and all the people don't necessarily disagree with you but I think its the method and the tearing down of Obama as a person that might have added to the conflict and separated it into a black, white kind of issue. you talk about reverse racism and the issues of the black church that's been a issue that I know God is going to expose and I'm glad you as a black woman mentioned it and it has to be dealt with on a stronger basis
as the church begins to repent.
There's got to be a better way. I think we have a strong case of two people fighting against each other that actually believe the same thing but there are other issues getting in the way. Who is to say that if Obama is elected that God can't change his mind either by enlightenment or circumstances that will work in favor of God's plan. Remember the heart of the king is in God's hand. We have all seen leaders that promise to do one thing and circumstances change.
Sometimes it could be the approach and not the message that turn people to other way.
God bless you because no matter what you stand for truth.
I have no faith in either candidates, my faith is in God and this country is in such a mess it will take God to get us through it. There's a wrestling in the spirit and its important that we don't loose focus on the issues that divide us that we cannot pray effectively. Whoever get's elected will need a lot of prayers because of the spiritual battles that's been unleashed. Now more than ever before we must not just pray our agendas but we must pray for His will.
With the love of Christ, be encouraged because I know you mean well.
Let us love one another through whatever differences we must have and let peace reign. Now is the time to pray and not fight. Each must work out their own soul salvation with fear and trembling and let us be ready when He comes.
Love Peace and Grace to all.
I am opposed to the homosexual agenda as well as the abortion agenda and am very concerned as to what the church as a whole is doing about it . What is your church doing to promote pro-life and the sanctity of marriage? I believe that no matter how many laws we pass unless the church deals with these issues and not wait for politicians we will continue to have these issues. I mean its been 35 years since Roe v Wade and how come the church has still not been able to change the culture, why and what will the church do otherwise we will find ourselves every 4 years in the same merry go round.
I am very concerned about the state of both parties as well and wondering who to vote for. I have a difficult time endorsing either candidate actually. I hate abortion and gay rights but i also hate the propagation of systemic poverty and greed and selling off our children's inheritance for money so i have a difficult time on who to vote for because it seems one is too liberal and the other says that they believe in God but seems to me that their actions lean towards the god of materialism otherwise known as mammon so as an independent i find it difficult to understand why the church so readily endorses a party so routed in greed and materialism and never questions anything? please help me understand this.
Good job Pastor Kim (says this white girl)! Satan is using race as a smoke screen to keep us from seeing the real story - what's really important in this election. You laid it out very nicely in your blog. Black, white, red, whatever, it doesn't matter. God sees us all as one and that's how we should stand - as Christians praying for our nation.
I don't think we would be having this discussion if we had more solid (I mean walking and talking) christians involved in Politics. It is not enough for us share our ideas and beliefs and do nothing to bring the change that society needs. We as christians have been called to be the salt of the earth instead we have confined our flavor to the pulpits and the four walls of the church. Where are the ideas and principles of the kingdom demonstrated in the society? Only within the church...sometimes. The world is groaning and waiting for the real children of God to stand up in places of influence and enforce the kingdom of God. Christians are conviced that Politics and Christianity do not mix...but I beg to differ. There are so many instances in the bible where people of influence in the society were instrumentatal to the body of christ such as Joseph of Arimathea (you can read the story). People of God, we have two people who may or not be solid christians running for Presidency. The one that is highly critisized in this article is running on the basis of a kingdom principle in which he learned at a young age to put other's first. The other is running for selfish ambitions on the pretense of putting country first. The author rightly said that by their fruit you shall know them. Talk is cheap but how you live your life speaks louder than a microphone. Anybody can come out and say I don't believe in abortion but the difference and sacrifice you make in other people's life is what will matter. Jesus said that Greater love hath no man than he lay down his life for his brother. My point with this argument is, "how has your belief changed the life of someone who is considering abortion?" How do we make our beliefs so practical that we see a change in our society on abortion rates instead of condeming people for not having the same standards as US? Ladies and Gentlemen, lets talk less and do more. Sorry for the long-winded comment!!
My God, My God! It took a while to read this, through the tears. Apostle Kim, I thank God for you. This says it all!
Norma "M"
Thank you for your telling the truth. We as Christians have become lovers of the almighty dollar and are more concerned about the economy than the word of God. We are too concerned with the ways of the world than keeping on eyes heavenward for the coming of Christ. Our livelihood and sustenance does not come from man, but from God. I wonder how many of us christians right now would gladly take the mark of the beast, if it came to that just to survive. If you compromise now, you will compromise then. May the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords reign.
THANK YOU for speaking the truth!! I am truly thankful that God's word is the truth and God doesn't change, his word remains the same.
Your sis in Christ,
Darlene
Interesting that you have been grieved in your spirit sister. I am also troubled, albiet for a very different reason.
You see I believe that Barack Obama is going to win this election. I remember when I first heard him something stirred in my spirit, and I thought, there is a sense of destiny on this man's life that is much bigger than even he is aware of.
The "prophets, dreamers and enchanters" of Israel also railed against the unrighteous despot Nebuchadnezzer(Jer. 27:9. One very charismatic prophet (Hananiah) assured God's people that the power of Nebuchadnezzer would be broken. He claimed most assuredly that God would not allow a heathen to rule over them.
Jeremiah had a bitter, painful word from God for them:
[I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and my outstretched hand, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me.] Jer. 27:5
Later Daniel told Nebuchadnezzer himself:
[The most High ruleth in the Kingdon of men, and he giveth it to whomsoever He will] Dan. 4:25
It is my feeling that sometimes we have allowed democracy Kingdom Now theology and even well intended zeal to cause us to forget that God is still sovereign. He still gives the Kingdom of men to whomsoever he pleases.
We get you loud and clear that you believe Lee Grady has been unfairly criticized. But there are some of us who are equally troubled that our Pentecostal Pope has not taken white born again Christians to task supporting Obama.
A new survey out suggested that Obama has equal support from born again Christians as does McCain. Yet Lee, has selectively zeroed in on prominent black leaders and black Christians in a what-do-you-have-to-say-for-yourself fashion. As if they were answerable to him.
I do not believe Lee is a racist, but off the wall and unbalanced and condescending comments (real or perceived) from an influential white christian to blacks will not invite the unity of the spirit that Charisma claims to be in favor of. Just look at the segregated nature of American churches.
Since you claim to be black to the bone, you should get the gist here.
the bible says The earth is the Lords and the fullness thereof the world and all that dwell in it.
So why are Christians acting like God is not in control. It is the Lord that puts up and takes down leaders. So just pray.
My problem with Mr. Grady is the fact he makes blaks seem like we are only voting for Obama because hes black and we are not. He cares for the poor and those who are stuggling in this country. McCain from wealth and is wealthy and only cares to help his wealthy friends.
Before we take the splinter out of our friends eye how about we take the plank out of your own eye.
Sis. Kim-
Your comments were strong and I don't believe Mr. Grady is a racist! But please help me to understand something. Why is it we hear about abortion from churches only during election time? Why don't church mention abortion, fornication, homosexuality, lying, fleecing the sheep, false prophets, pornography and much more throughout the year from the pulpit instead of the name it, claim it and take msgs! Is using the bible to make our point restricted to "abortion" only? What about everyday lying, be it big lie or little lie! Why are African-American Christian leaders being used to speak at multi-cultural churches (70% blacks) in distain not to vote for Senator Obama? Would Jesus have done that? Is Senator Obama to far from God's reach to change his heart as God did with you, me and the Apostle Paul?! Would Jesus think so?! Is Senator Obama an imperfect Christian in a perfect Christian world making wise decisions?! Are we going to boycott restaurants, banks, stores, daycares, etc where gays, abortionist, liars and thieves work?! Are we going to boycott family members/friends who support Obama, calling them murders in public humiliation?! Are we going to tell people not to buy cds by Dave Boltz or Terry McAlmon? Is God's arms to short he can't reach them again!! All of us sin every single day knowingly or unknowingly! I'm not upset about your comments about Obama! I'm frustrated at the hypocrisy of the church and how we use to bible to manipulate when we want to! I'm frustrated that after 35 yrs Roe -v- Wade hasn't been turned by the previous conservative Presidents! 35 yrs!! Even with conservative presidents, the abortion rates have gone up! I'm frustrated that we tolerate sin depending on who does it! Depending on who it, we say SHOW LOVE! Afterall, what is the difference in God's eyes between a liar, a person who is a "supporter" of someone who wants to chose and a homosexual. If I'm not mistaken, all are an abomination to God!! Why is our tolerance easier when it comes to lying?! What is the church doing to curtail some of the problems right here in America instead of running overseas to take care of other countries Socially! The church should be doing what Obama wants to do when it comes to social programs to help people (abortion, homeless, poverty, job loss, our children, sexual immorality, and much more). If the church isn't showing any productivity in outreach, missions and evangelism, then they should taxed and heavily! I'm frustrated that our churches pay speakers thousands of dollars to come preach (and the entourage that come with them)and not a dime to set up programs such as above!! Obama is not my worry nor failure; nor is my government!! The church is my worry of failure! Just for the record, I am an African-American woman and I'm not an Obama supporter! But neither am I his judge. That's God's job! I don't need to demonize Senator Obama's character to vote nor scar people to death as to why not to vote for him since God is all powerful and all knowing! Besides the issues, I don't know anymore about him personally than I did Pres. Bush or any other Presidential candidate! I voted for Bush (a Christian)twice! I hold no malice against him how things turned out (9/11, economy, foreign relations, etc)! Life happens! We are in an imperfect world with imperfect leaders regardless of the party!! Should Obama get that office, I pray Christians will understand that GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL and nothing happens without his PERMISSION to fulfill HIS PURPOSES whether good, bad or indifferent!! I pray for Obama as I do Senator McCain and I pray SINCERELY for them! I don't pray to manipulate God! God is the only one who knows for sure what either will do what once they get in there! These are two imperfect Christian men running for an imperfect position! I love this election because God is just revealing our own imperfections as we look at and listen to one another (judging and unforgiveness). Pastors and ministers have called out publicly the imperfections/flaws of Senator Obama; telling people not to vote for him because he's a baby killer! I can't imagine then what would be said about the mother and the doctor! Can you imagine if Jesus had done that with the adulterous women and/or with me! Again, please, let's stop the hypocrisy and just pray that God will change Obama and McCain's heart to reflect His will should either be chosen to run this country! Mr. Grady is a blessing to Charisma and I love his articles! But like Senator Obama, he is an imperfect Christian in an imperfect world. Whether you are running a country or a church leader, we are imperfect beings and we will never get it all right!! Only God can change us as well as forgive us!! This election isn't about Mr. Grady nor Senator Obama; but the role and the position the church is in today!
Amen Kim,
As an African American woman, I admire your courage to take a stand aganist the lies of the enemy. Yes, this is a spiritual battle and we need to wake up.
God Bless
Jamie
Ann,
You may not have noticed it, but the very things that you complain about what the church is not doing (only talking about abortion when there is an election, etc) is being done at smaller churches like mine (less than 300 members). I agree it seems like many of the mega-churches don't want to address these issues. Yes, McCain and Obama are both imperfect human beings like the rest of us. And whoever is elected and not elected will need our prayers now and after the election. Again, we need a fresh move of Gopd in our nation and it starts with the church (2 Chroniclies 7:14).
Dear Kim and Lee Grady,
I have to respectfuly disagree with you. I think we are conflating godly laws with good governance. In an ideal world, we Christians would like to have both but they are two very separate things. Godly laws would not allow for abortion, or gay marriage, but good governance would have to do with actual nation building and leading in wisdom (as in the days of Solomon. Bush quite simply, has not been strong when it comes to good governance, as well intentioned or born again as he might have been. It is pretty apparent that neither McCain or Palin would do any better, they are incomptent and disorganized beyond belief.
We christians have to be careful not to assume this us vs them mentality within the simplistic prism of republicans being the good guys and democrats being the bad guys. The bottom line is that the republican party has been hiding behind christian values and other tags that, quite frankly have not changed for the better under republican rule. We want government to do (godly laws) for us christians what we will not do for ourselves with the power of the Lord.
Yes, we are christians and we are not of this world, and we are a Holy nation, set apart, etc. But we are to occupy till He comes. Not build isolated silos, cower behind them in fear and patiently wait for Jesus to come and rescue us, but occupy and keep busy with His work till He comes. God's work takes place through our individual showing of Christ, not necessarily in legislature. Because we Christians simply can NOT legislate morality. The law of the letter is dead. It is the spirit that gives life. This may sound blasphemous but not even God can legislate morality on this earth in its current fallen state because He gave us the gift of free will which has been corrupted with the fall of man. This is why Jesus came to die for us, and rose and imparted to us His Holy Spirit to give us the power to live right.
Good, christ-oriented laws are great but we are longing for the security and comfort of the ideal state we will NOT find on earth till we get to heaven.
I believe that all of your fears and loud concerns about "life as we know it under Obama" are founded on you confusing the possibilty of the passing of "morally perverse" laws such as the equality of gay marriage with good governance.
God is neither republican or democratic and believe it or not, He is just as capable of "using" a democrat as He is a republican, even if the democrat seems to support things that are abominable to God. the old testament is full of stories of kings who did not necessarily do everything right, but still oved God. They did not put away all the high places, but God still blessed the land.
At this point in our nation's life, I would rather choose good governance over godly laws. In fact, how do we know that under Obama, with our PRAYERS, we can't have both? The heart of the king is in the hands of the Lord, right? If you would take the blinders off your eyes, it is pretty apparent that Obama is actually more godly and disciplined than the McCain/Palin gang. Could it just be that Jesus the messiah was completely unnoticed as such by the religious elders of his day because he didn't quite fit the mold of what they expected? He didn't wash his hands before eating (a grave breaking of judean law), he hung out way too much with sinners (maybe even seemed to coddle them by tolerating their presence) and he worked on the sabbath, among many other "sins" He committed in their eyes. But the word lets us know that Jesus was blameless before God.
All I can say is let's pray hard for God's will for America to be done. Not for our favorite team, but for God's will.
Peace to all,
RosieB
Prophecy: The Economy of God Pt 1
Oct 1 '08 -- I released a prophecy to the nation in 2002, concerning "There will be a revival in the marketplace" and the prophecy still speaks. Today, it is upon our nation as a correction [in the blessing] to the obedient and His judgement & rebuke to the disobedient.
In response to the US financial crisis 'The Bail Out' - "there is a word from the Lord.
The word is 'greed'. The people are looking for a 'man' - 'woman' to solve the issue. [As in the Holy Scriptures] The Lord hears the people demanding for a king as they did for Saul. [In this hour] The greed isn't only in the 'White House (US Government)' it is also in the lives of the people. He will use, in this hour, the same example as he did through the Prophet Ezra. Our nation must see the church of the living God in splendor, in confidence, and moving in open acknowledgement of Him who gives power to gain wealth -- even on 'Wall Street' or 'our street'.
The economy of God will be demonstrated by the church. The question that will began to come to the righteous of the Lord is "what must we do, why are you yet prospering in this time? Ezra 8:21 says Then, I proclaimed a fast there at the river Ahava, that we might humble ourselves before our God, to seek from Him the right way for us and our little ones and all our possessions. For I was ashamed to request of the king as escort of soldiers and horsemen to help us against the enemy on the road, because we had spoken to the king, saying, The hand of our God is upon all those for good who seek Him, but His power and His wrath are against all those who forsake Him. So we fasted and entreated our God for this, and He answered our prayer.
The Lord wants His people in the midst of the storm of the nation to exemplify our dependence in His word. One would say, "how could you magistrate a command as this in time of 'famine'?" Because the righteous know their king and obey that His glory be revealed.
Washington [the White House] doesn't have the answer.
When the $700B bail out was announced, He said it will not solve this. I am not pleased with
'greed' in this nation. I AM the Lord your God and will shake the financial idol of this nation - until that happens, the throne of 'greed' that has crept into My house and also blatantly sits as a demigod of this nation.
God says as you see, there has been no public acknowledgement of repentance.
Systems that should have and could have been in place are not and it is being exposed.
There is no crisis in My economy. There is only crisis in the disobedience of man and his allegiance to the idol of greed in his heart. Here My word, I am exposing this idol. I require that My people who are called by Name would humble themselves, pray and seek My face and then I will heal their land. I have already answered the prayer.
I speak to My shepherds who watch over My flock -- Now move in confidence in what I AM saying to the Church concerning 'The Economy of God'. My thoughts are not your thoughts. Neither are your ways My ways. Many will not see Me in this hour, because of the seducing spirit. Yet those who are Mine will hear my voice and another they will not follow. I will raise a banner in this house that many will run into. My word changes not. ###
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Ms. Kimberly Daniels,
Pray? Yes!!! However, if anyone lays blame at Obama's feet, then they are wrong. The same goes for laying blame at McCain's feet. That is wrong too. Politician's govern a country to maintain peace, preserve a decent quality of life among other things for it's citizens. We can look at the history of this country and see the times government failed at legislation as well as triumphed at legislation. We can look at prohibition as well as the number of failed slavery and civil rights legislation. We can look at either one with a slant. But, both failed. One attempted to help people curb their need for consuming alcohol. Didn't work. A huge illegal, underground market arose that endangered the lives of ordinary citizens. The other attempted to keep a people of a given race under the feet of the people of another race who called themselves "Christians". Slavery and Jim Crow didn't work. Violation of Human Rights. Those involved were mainstream political party affiliates, Christian/non-Christian, and White/non-White. Blaming Obama is easy because of his party affiliation, race, etc. The same goes for McCain. Politicians can't control the actions and behaviors of people through legislation. The issue is really the church. Can the church engage people in love to put down the sinful nature without strings attached, fakery, or a false hope of prosperity. The church shouldn't be calling out the media or siding with the media. The church should be calling on the people to the people to change. Politicians, the media, as well as businesses and other sources of help should be running to the church to give it the means of helping people. At different times in my life I have witnessed different churches getting this type of help. That to me was a strong witness for this church. Maybe defending a Charisma Mag should be criticized if it is departing from Christianity and hanging out with a slanted view of Christendom.
Earick N Gamble
AMEN, AMEN, AND AMEN!!! Thank you for your boldness and right standing. I am a Black American and I refuse to be blinded by glitz and glamour,give me the Word Of God any day over what we are seeing.I can't believe some of these pastors who are lining up to drink the kool-aid may God have mercy on all of us.
If ALL of the aborted babies could come back to life and vote- they would NOT ALL vote for McCain who believes abortion should be okay in cases or rape, incest or when the mother's life is in danger. Maybe we shouldn't vote at all because McCain is really not better if we take the no compromise (all abortion is wrong) stance.
I'm not really sure what to do.
Apostle Daniels,
I was in DC at the 24 hour marriage summit where you spoke prophetically about the homosexuals who were sleeping with pastors...some of them sitting in that room. There was a silence that fell when you spoke. Instead of repentance, they have circled the wagons against God, believing that their vote for Obama will keep them safe from his wrath. But God will allow their lovers to become their jailers, to punish them, their congregations and their families. Multimillion dollar buildings, thousands of members, fine houses and cars, sexual appetites for both sexes, and theivery. But the Lord has been silent, waiting for repentance.
Even here, some keep arguing a false balance. McCain nor the Republican party is God or his word. There is only one righteous standard and all are judged by it.
The unbelieving church is in the grip of its own greed. They reject the voice of the true prophets only because they are more concerned with self preservation than the mandate of the Lord Jesus.
They will argue against the Spirit of the Lord until judgment falls upon them. Because of the evil people continually committed, Noah cried out for 100 years to repent. Yet the people refused. God's mercy will come to an end.
This may be the Holy Spirit's last call to repent of pride and return to God.
DL Foster
www.gcmwatch.com
Dear Beloved Sister Kim,
I have seen you speak on Christian TV and pray diligently that the Lord Jesus will continue to bless you and keep you protected from the enemy. I am an African-American brother who was a slave to pornography and masturbation for 26 years until Christ freed me from those demons. I know as you do that the blood of Jesus cleanses from any sin. I stand firm with you sister on Sen. Obama and applaud the boldness that Christ is giving you to speak the truth in love. I have many black members of my family who support him and I've told them that I cannot support anyone (no matter race) that stands for what my Heavenly Father is against. I too have been enabled by the Lord to see some of our African American gospel artist and pastors who are undercover homosexuals destroying the work of God among non-believers. Proverbs 28:4 gives us the complete picture. Stay strong in the Lord my sister in Christ and I hope our paths cross someday here on earth before we go home. Here are some things the Lord has given me to speak to believers and non-believers alike (go to www.home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-crowsu80)
Sincerely in Christ,
Clifford D. Tate,Sr.
Author,Silent Assassins of the Soul (not yet published; coming soon)
Render unto Ceasar....
Politics is a dirty business and when we Christians seek to align ourselves with ANY political party we have climbed down into the mud! We should vote as individuals and we should address local issues as individuals. As soon as there is any affiliation to a political party we get muddy. Don't wait for national elections to be involved.
Government has continued to grow under almost every president since FDR. What should the governments money (our money) be spent on? Guns or Butter? Who should be helped - what is 'trickle down' ?
Harry S. Truman - Democrat
Dwight D. Eisenhower -Republican
John F. Kennedy - Democrat
Lyndon B. Johnson - Democrat
Richard M. Nixon - Republican
Gerald R. Ford - Republican
Jimmy Carter - Democrat
Ronald W. Reagan - Republican
George H.W. Bush - Republican
William J. Clinton - Democrat
George Walker Bush - Republican
Every human vessel is cracked. STOP THE FEAR MONGERING AND THE VITRIOLIC SPEECH (Bitterly scathing; caustic). STOP THE HERO WORSHIP.
Only our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus should be worshiped.
Kim, you are entitled to your opinion. I'm more concerned when people begin to talk about the President as if he is supposed to be the spiritual leader. That is not who we accepts jobs. We do not say that are not Christians, therefore I will not work for them. We do not even ask.
The notion that because Senator Obama is black is the reason why many African Americans are choosing to vote for him is insulting. We have voted for 43 White Presidents. What does than then mean? Let's not play the stupid card....
Republicans have for years held themselves up as the only true Christians. During this campaign, McCain/Palin have talked about real Americans. There has been an all out effort to divide the country. That is wrong no matter how you look at it. How is one sin worse than another? The Bible says if you're guilty of one, you're guilty of them all. Please explain to me how you plan to take care of unwanted children, as if somehow once the child is born, your job is done? How cruel to every child born! The arguments I hear are so senseless, it frightens me that these people are the ones that vote. There are more than 2 reasons to vote; total policy, treating everyone right; jobs, a better economy, getting us out of an illegal war, McCain's age, lack of knowledge, his judgement, an ignorant running mate, 860 bills introduced by Obama, 1096 co sponsored, his intelligence, it does matter... Basically, this remains me of those Blacks who really hate to see another one succeed, yet we hide behind a Christian facade. After 11/5, there will be a lot of healing that needs to take place because of McCain/Palin. How Godly of them to endanger the lives of thousands of blacks. Yea, I trust them to treat blacks with respect. NOT....
What I don't understand, is why J. Lee Grady, has to use Kim to speak up for him.
I would rather see a response from him. Instead, he uses other resources to detour voters. I don't see the love of Christ at all in this, and see that you're gagging at a gnat!
It's time to become a doer of the word, instead of a pointer. When was the last time you went to an abortion clinic and talked someone out of having an abortion. When was the last time you took a young girl and assisted her, if necessary to put her baby up for adoption, instead of killing it; perhaps take her into your home and help her through with the pregnancy? Yes, Jesus spoke to the multitudes, but He also served one on one.
When was the last time you took a homosexual in your home, and fed them dinner, and showed them the love of Christ? When was the last time you ministered (not yelled at) a person with aids, and led them to the Lord? I can really see the scripture now, stating the love of many shall wax cold.
Come on, get off the soap box! Neither one of the candidates are going to really change the laws of these two highly Christian and Word driven morals. That's why Christ came and had become a Teacher of Love. When will the people in the 'church', finally realize this? Instead, we defend ourselves, and point fingers.
I felt no love in Kim's response, but yet another use of a platform to defend. That's media for you!
I am ashamed of Charisma, and no longer want the magazine.
May you LOVE and PRAY for our new leader, whomever it may be!
The Lord's WILL be done.
Why are we christians not talking about the fact that abortions have actually have gone down considerably across the board? What will we do to work to continue to make it plummet?
Why are we not discussing the fact that increasingly, the stats show that the women who do have abortions are actually mid 20's and older, and often already have at least one child already? (See Newsweek article
Why won't our so-called christian leaders who are in bed with the psuedo-Republican value system talk about the fact that under republicans, social services such
as low income childcare and help for the poor is typically squeezed, and women tend to get more abortions then?
I am happy you have seen the light and have repented of your 2 abortions. Now that you have your act together, you want to complain that others are exercising the same right to choose and you want that option completely eliminated for them. If God forgave you, will He not in His infinite mercy forgive others? There was a choice available to you and twice, you chose to abort. I can imagine that even if you were not a paractising christian, it was not necessarily an easy decision for you.
Taking that option to choose away will only result in women going underground and trying all kinds of life-threatening alternatives to be un-pregnant. This is because we can NOT legislate morality. Women's health WILL suffer.
Abortions are rarely done simply because women just feel like it. I have heard Pastor Rod Parsley preach many times and say something to the effect that statistics show that something like 1 in 5 christian women in church have had an abortion. It is not a badge of honor any women in her right mind wears proudly. No one is holding a noose over your head, chanting "baby killer" for actually going through with it. Why should we then throw stones at a politician who thinks we should allow women to continue to HAVE a choice?
The real mistake was that we as christians allowed Roe V Wade to go through at the very beginning, the same way we were so into our material comfort, we let prayer get taken out of school. Now that the genie is out of the bottle, 30 years later, we are now trying to backpeddle and it is too late to do so legislatively. The best we canhope for is that with technology improvements, increased social services, direct christian involvement, etc abortions will continue to fall and maybe one day, many of th emore controversial stuff will just die on their own. We can kill the spirit of abortion/murder by intercession, not by writing a law.
Go Figure!
Amen! Apostle Kim, I thank God for you and your anointing. I love you and may The Lord bless you and your family richly.
Let God Arise!!!
I am a God fearing African woman and I completly agree with everything Pastor Kim is saying because it is about time that African American are daring to tell it lke it is.More than ever America needs prayers,to my White brothers who do not understand why Black pastors "are switching" side so that they could have a Black president,even if he is not the right one.I say,this is the result of all that Black folks had to put up with.To my Black brothers I say,let's continue praying and waitng for the "right one" Obama is obviously not the one.Vote wisely...America is at a crossroad which way are you going to choose?
"We are coming to a Mount Carmel moment, which I believe could be the Church's finest hour where she challenges her own compromise and then gains authority through prayer and action which is her true vocation. Then our light will break forth like the dawn and truth will no longer be trampled under the feet of renegade kings and judges. The Church is not at the mercy of political decrees of destruction. Jesus is the Lord of history!"
-Prophesied by Lou Engle, 10/23/08
I am so utterly sick of this election and the government that veiled itself as "Christian" in the last 2 elections. I even had people tell me during the last two elections that if your were not Republican you were not even a Christian. I am against abortion but as a minister that frequents this magazine put it, you can not have it both ways. If you do not want women to have abortions, then you have to be willing to feed the babies that are born. I havent seen anyone lining up to feed the non-aborted babies.
There is such a generalized arrogance with Christians concerning helping the poor. Jesus did not try to beat someone that was hungry or poor into the ground. He just feed them or helped them and touch their lives. The arrogance is in the fact the "some" people think they are above the poor, homeless or afflicted. YOU ARE NOT!!!!!!!!!! We are all saved by grace and most of us one paycheck from being homeless or in dires straights. If I hear one more person talk about not helping the poor because "some" abuse the system, I think I will regurgitate. Matthew 25 does not let us glean, sift, judge and look down on the less forturnate. We are just told to help and love them.
IF the churches took care of the poor in their churches and neighborhoods like the early churhc did, there would not be much use for the rampant government social programs. Yes there would still be abusers of the systems but Christians that hang onto their money because they are looking down their noses at people will have to have that last dollar pried out of their cold dead hands. When the "arrogance" of the alleged "Christian" party is done away with, I will return to that party. Until it does, all the fear tactics that the mastermind of that party shells out it just pharisetical rhetoric.
BOTH PARTIES SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THE LIES AND TALES THEY BOTH HAVE TOLD. I WATCH EVERYDAY AS THE ANALYSIS OF WHAT TRUTH IS DISTORTED AND BOTH PARTIES ARE LYING. THAT IS WHAT MAKES ME FEEL HOPELESS. JESUS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN CLEAN UP THIS MESS WITH BOTH PARTIES!!!!!!SHAME ON YOU DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS. SHAME ON YOU AMERICA FOR NOT HOLDING YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO A HIGHER STANDARD. WE WILL ALL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS!
The was so well said. Thank you for sister for standing up and saying what needs to be said. As others have said, race is just a smoke screen to hide the real agenda here. This is not about left or right, it is about rightousness and truth.
God has not given us a robotic mind, but a mind that allows us to make a choice. Make a bad choice and we pay the consequences. There have been enough warnings by the prophets and apostles. If we do not heed those warnings then we as a nation will pay the consequences.
Thank you Apostle Kim and God Bless You!!
I am so sick of so-called 'Believers' saying "God is in control" and just leaving it at that! Read your Bible...The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men. Psalm 115:16
Are you a son? If so then stop talking about men and parties, and walk in your sonship! Put your "convert" shoes away and become the "son" that you have been ordained to be!
The LORD is saying I gave you authority through the shed blood of My Son - DO SOMETHING! Declare the decree!!! If you know where you sit in Christ (that's in heavenly places), you have been given dominion over the earth to legislate righteousness and justice. Lord, break in with Your light and Your truth. Lord, let Your strong arm smite Your enemies. Lord, we ask you for this election that You will be glorified...We ask You Lord for the judges that will sit for 40 years, let them hold fast to Your commandments first...Lord, hold back the flood...Lord, save the homosexual and the backslider...For salvation belongs to Our God and the blessing is upon His people. For Our God is mighty to save...We ask You for righteous leaders...We ask You for the heathen as an inheritance and the uttermost parts of the earth for a possession...We ask you for this nation...We release in Jesus name the spirit of Elijah to turn the heart of the fathers to the children and the heart of the children to the fathers...Lord release the spirit of burning to burn everything that is not like You...Expose hidden covenants and agreements...Expose wickedness and darkness...Plead our cause O Lord and fight against this ungodly nation (those who are set in overthrowing God's oracles)...Send forth arrows of deliverance in the camp of the enemy to free those who are bound and oppressed..."Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done" on earth as it is in heaven. O Lord, how great are Your signs and how mighty are Your wonders! Your kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and his dominion is from generation to generation (our children's children). Do it for Your namesake Lord. Judge us not after our righteousness, but after Your lovingkindness. Remember Your mercy in the face of judgement. For mercy triumphs over judgement.
If you don't know what you ought to pray, there's no need to fret or to not pray at all!!! You have a Helper, Holy Spirit! Pray in The Spirit!!! Heaven is awaiting your prayers!!! All of creation is awaiting the manifestation of the sons of God!! Pray, Pray, Pray!!! The Lord is releasing revelatory visions and dreams in this hour concerning His sons and the commanding of His Word!!! This is for us saints! We can't settle! We mustn't relent! Fight from your place of victory and declare WAR!!!
If you would cry out for MERCY more than you would "change", God will turn the battle! Get on your knees! History belongs to the intercessors!!!!
Be Blessed and Encouraged!
Thank You. It is about time someone stood up for what is right. America is in this situation because we have compromised the word of GOD.
I hold fast to the prophecy of Kim Clement as supposed to this lady. There is nothing to hard for God. McCain backed away from us and why should we vote for another 4 years of the same empty promises. President cannot end abortion, but Congress can. Glad I stopped my subscription to Charisma and I certainly don't think that this lady has a word from the Lord.
I appreciate your transparency. My greatest concern in regards to this election has centered around what my 12 year old daughter has experienced. We are an African American family. Our daughter goes to a Christian School. It is VERY pro-McCain. Because she is African American it is assumed she is for Obama. We are actually a part of the unsure category because both parties concern us greatly. Our daughter has been threatened, teased, told she is going to hell and the list goes on, all because she isn't saying she is overwhelmingly for McCain. I know the commments being said by the kids are echoes of what their parents are saying. I understand people feeling strongly about issues and having healthy debates, but I don't understand the spirit of condemnation that is a part of it. I have had to explain to my daughter how her salvation is based on Jesus alone and not McCain. What are we displaying to our children?
My question is, as a african-american christian, who happens to work at a Christian Pro-life pregnancy center,...after Nov. 4, if Obama wins...will we still pray for our leaders? I mean the same positive prayers of safety, wisdom, success, etc...that we are admonished to do...or do we decide that, in spite of the Apostle Paul's adomonition, that Obama is not worth praying for? It concerns me, as a Christian, that we have painted this election as one to be feared. What happened to the Mighty God we serve? Does He become powerless in the presence of "democrats/"liberals? Maybe we should spend more time praying that hearts will change (within the Christian community first) to be open to the love of God and less time inciting fear, hatred and discord among the brethren. What example of love, unity and peace do we display to those who don't know the Lord? If I were not a ,the behavior I have witness over the last 18 months certainly would not convince me to come in the Kingdom. I applaud those who are willing to take a stand and go against the grain...yet whatever happened to the truth in love? I am praying for the next president, period! He will need all the prayers he can get. God Bless
Dear Kimberly,
(I really love that name)
I have read your blog and the responses to your blog and to Lee's comments.
Praise God! I wish we had more people like you and Lee who has the BOLDNESS, like St. Paul to stand up, speak out and boldly go where many are afraid to trod.
I am in total agreement with what you had to say.
Some of the responders are also correct in their way of thinking.
But, some of them are on the wrong track.
Yes, I am a white woman, but I am sick and tired of the race card being played. This is NOT about race. This is a spiritual war between satan and God and satan will use every trick in the book and then some to make sure everyone sees things his way.
Right is right and wrong is wrong and there is no gray in the middle!
Has anyone ever thought about why God has allowed only white men, regardless of party lines, to be the president of America?
Here are my thoughts on this.
I believe it goes all the way back to the days of Abraham when he had 2 sons, Ishmael by an Egyptian woman and Ishmael being a dark-skinned "wildman" a warring nation, but he also became a blessed nation because of all of the oil. This is where the arabs and muslims come from and they are a violent people.
Meanwhile, Isaac was natural born to Abraham and Sarah and was a part of the blessed nation as well and this was because of Abraham's obedience, faithfulness, and trustworthiness.
Over the centuries, man has fought the battle of freedom. Freedom from tyranny, freedom to practice their beliefs, freedom from slavery, freedom to live in peace, however, there are many races, tribes, ethnic groups who want what others have so they take it by force.
God's Word tells us there will always be wars and rumors of wars.
We are in a war right now.
Oh, I am not talking about Iran, Iraq, or Afghanistan.
I am talking about the war of right and wrong.
Many people think that Obama is the answer to our problems. NO! HE IS NOT!
Many people thing McCain is the answer. NO! HE IS NOT!
God's Word, the Bible is the only answer that we can rely on.
I voted the BIBLE because it is the only source that I can count on.
You have hit some nails on the head.
Kim, I stand with you, with God, with His Word, with the Truth, and with what is right.
People, we live in the best country on this earth because God, Himself, created it for our freedoms. I believe that God will open the door for the man that He wants to run this country because it will be in His will, for His purpose, not ours.
IF we do not want the wrong person in, then we need to PRAY and PRAY.
Abortion, homosexual behavior, lies, thievery, cheating, adultery,
fornication, stealing, sexual abuse, use and abuse of alcohol and illegal drugs, abuse of children, abuse of the aged and the disabled, the teaching of same-sex unions to our children in schools, the adoption of children by same-sex couples or a single gay or lesbian person: all of these are an abomination in God's eyes.
Do we really want someone in office who will condone these behaviors? Who will enact laws that will protect the people who do these things, from prosecution?
Think about what you are doing when you go to the polls on Nov.4
Kim, I pray that God will continue
to bless you and give you the boldness to speak up and speak out.
In Christ Alone,
Pat
Kim,I respect your theology and stance,but here is the deal;the moral status of a nation is in direct proportion to the state of the church.The church as a spiritual entity has the power to shape the morals of our societies, not the government. I wish the church in America would do her role, politicians would have less or nothing to talk about on the issues of abortion and gay marriages.
Our bible is very clear, that our government leaders are chosen by God and this time around, God has chosen one that does not agree with your views, and that is Barack Obama on 11/04, to safe america from leaders you agree with but have destroyed the moral fabric of this nation. There is no bigger sin before God - sister you know what republicans have done to this nation for the last 8 years - is corruption a lessor sin than arbortions, are the abroted kids better than those who have died in Iraq on a war that should never have been started in the first place? Think abouot that and ask the Lord for more insight on this matter. Bless your heart lee and kim and talk you later on 11/5/08Blessings.
Rev.Kay
Sister Kim, I remember huddling in a corner and praying with you and Joy during a wait during an election two years ago in Tampa. We all agreed at that time that God's will be done and that God would bring into the light those things that have been hidden especially by those in political circles. God has fulfilled that prayer by bringing into the light dark deeds and plans for anyone who has eyes to see and ears to hear. I am a bit amazed reading these comments because I have been hurting in my spirit as well throughout this election. The blood of murdered children is weighing on my soul. I haven't personally had an abortion so I can't speak to that pain but I can understand the pain that drives me to pray for repentance for this nation for our corporate sins. I understand your assertion that you must vote according to the Bible and I agree that I find it untenable to vote for someone who supports partial birth abortion and votes against "born alive" legislation. God is in charge of this world but we will be held accountable for our votes when they go against God's standard. I am not surprised by the fact that non-Christians are supporting Obama, but I am stunned that people professing Christ are voting against God's standards. I will continue to speak out with passion alongside you in this important time. Please know that I vow to pray for you as you are attacked in the spiritual and physical realm.
Hey, why is Lee using black folks to demonize Obama. Unfortunately, these voices are not loud enough to drawn raging voices of change. Its a travesty what GOP has done for this country in the last 8 and you still want more of the same.
Kim and Lee, you may ignore the crystal sounds of change but dont worry, it will be clear on 11/04, with all due to both of you.
Thank you for saying this:
"All blacks are not blinded by Obama."
I am an African-American woman who is not voting for Obama because of his abhorrent stance on abortion. May God bless your willingness speak up for the unborn.
Dear Apostle Kim,
I thank God for you and Lee Grady because you both tell it like it is. After reading Apostle John Eckhardt teaching on homosexuality, and then your info on the hate crime bill and Lee Grady's articles in Charisma magazine helped me as christian how to vote in this election, or I would of been like so many of my fellow brothers and sisters supporting someone who does not stand up morally to God's word. I applaud you all and have taken a stand to vote morally. I appreciate your email from the morning commanders because so many of us have been catching it for what we believe and stand for. I have caught it from my friends, fellow christian sisters, and even in my own home from my husband who has already voted for Obama, but I will not take down, this is not about electing a black president its about voting morally and that based upon God's word. I have taken such a hit from people they do not want to hear what I have to say, and its a shame to see so many pastors, leaders and christian who name the name of Christ supporting this man. Its like they don't care what he believe they just want to see a black man win the white house. One of my dear sisters in the Lord when I tried to explain to her about this man, told me that this is God and God is putting Obama in the white house. The devil is a liar God can not go against his word. So again I appreciate you and yours words and pure and true, thank God for you and Lee Grady being a voice to the body of Christ. Please pray for me i'm really being ridiculed by my husband for not voting for Obama. Judgement is coming to the house of God, very very soon.
to all the rich pastors and lee grady and others the lord of glory knows what your fighting for and he as this to say from JESUS go sell all you have and give to the poor . many pastors have robbed the poor . john mccain is the rich man that left JESUS and was never herd from till to day . you her sreaming money .money. money .money. plus the church has been decived by the republicans . john mccain voted for pro- abortion justice stephen breyer and for ruth bader ginsburg go look it up google.john mccain pro life what a joke. you will see the truth. plus read jer 23. Isaiah 56-9-12 so if you think the republicans want to over turn roe vs wade you are decived. did not vote for anyone
Pastor Kim, with all due respect, you are a lunatic and have totally missed God on this one! Barak Obama is God's man for this hour to bring America back to the place of decency, moral and ethical responsibilty and righteousness which in biblical contaxt simply means 'justice' ... I realize it will do me no good to try to convince you of rather homosexuality is a sin .. and I realize you will spue some evangelical rhetoric proclaiming what the Bible says, but not having any idea of what the Bible means ... just suffice it to say that Jesus was more annoyed with 'self righteousness' than He was with unrighteousness. Salvation is a personal matter and if you spend more time searching your own soul, you may be able to bring wholeness and deliverance to your many issues that bind you. Grace and Peace be multiplied unto you from our Lord Jesus Christ!
john mccain has been talking more about a lieing plumer then the unborn wake up church plus johm mccain has mocked the lord go read it prov 17 4-5. john mccain owns 7 house over 10 cars his wife is worth over 100 miliion dollers. and owns a beer compeny how many unborn has been killed by beer . cindy mcain . bush wife . bush mother s.s rice have all said roe vs wade should not be over turned . go look it up . the cry of the poor has touched the lord of glory and the lord sent this great judgement . so all who are on mccain side repent and stop condeming others for mcain is more evil then obama . for mccain has mocked the poor. he is already lost the lord showed me obama will win . I did not vote for him . for all mccain supports you can call all the gop opertives so they can trap the poor but it will not work you can even switch the votes . IT STILL WILL NOT WORK foucas on family prayed for a flood on obama . . and there will be a flood the republicans will be sweept out for deciveing the church. and for all the preachers tell your members how much you make a year. I have asked the lord to deal with all preachers who have robbed the poor . many members have ran away from the church sick and tired of the greed pastors . for the poor i want to tell you the preachers who have mocked you have mocked the lord. and the lord says to the poor I love you you are blessed no one can curse you. for I will fight for you so dont be afraid NO ONE CAN STOP YOU . YOU WILL AWAYS BE MINE love jesus
Wow! Thank you for standing up for what you believe in. We need to vote for life. We need to vote for freedom. Our future president must be a man of good character. That's what we need to vote for-neither candidate is perfect, but there is one who shows moral conviction. It does matter, skin color doesn't. I would definitely vote for a darker shade, if the above mentioned qualities were present. But, that is not the case at this time. Again, thanks for your good words.
Kim, thank you for your boldness. The Word is the final authority -- period. I am neither white, nor black. I was born Hispanic, but was born again into the family of God. As a child of God, I always obey My Father's Word -- He would not lie to me; He would not steal from me and He would never change His mind. He told me to trust Him. He promised to care for me always. There is no safer place for me. Put no confidence in men. I invite you to trust in My Father -- He's yours too!
My last comment was directed to the readers of this blog.
Think you Kim a Great Word and a much needed word fo this day and hour. Has a Pastor and a Christian I am very concerned about this years election. Is is sad that the Body of Christ let politics divide us. I can not vote for Obama for one reason His stance on Abortion. To me if someone says that they support abortion and I cast my vote for them i am just has guilty of murder as they are. I would not vote for my father if he supported Abortion. we know Proverbs 6 say God hates Hands that shed innocent Blood. There is know more innocent blood than that of a Baby.
It is sad but true many will vote party lines regardless of who is running it is an issue of PRIDE which is also a Sin.
It is also sad that Gods People think that Obama or Mccain will make that much difference in Washington. If you believe the bible and I do this economy will collapse one day. The only thing that Obama or Mccain can do is put a few bandaids on a Serious Wound. We are in the Last of the Last days it is time to look futher than capital hill for help and Hope. PEOPLE GET READY JESUS IS COMING. IT IS TIME TO LOOK UP, CLEAN UP, PRAY UP BECAUSE THE CHURCH IS GOING UP.
Nevertheless come Lord Jesus
I applaud your boldness and your stand for God. We need so many more people like you to speak so honest and true. God Bless you and thank you.
Clarissa
Blessings!
I am lending a voice to the ongoing debate concerning who becomes the next President of USA between John McCain and Barrack Obama. I am not a US citizen. I am African from Nigeria but that really does not matter; what matter most is that I am a citizen of heaven! Hallelujah!
Having been reading comments of Lee Grady in Charisma, I felt I should air my view on this whole issue if it will be published at all.
The real issue is the Church of God in America needs to hear from God on a sensitive issue like this not just whipping up sentiments! What is the will of God in this forthcoming election that is less than a week from now? I do not think, we need to say Obama is supporting abortion and therefore christians should not vote for him. How about John McCain who divorced and re-married? We, in the christian-fold should look at issues objectively! What of a situation where the two candidates are not professing christianity, or even any religion, does it mean christians in America will not go the polls?
To me the issue here is politics and NOT religion and therefore I opine that we need not spiritualise or religionise the polity at a time like this.
On the last thought, christians should know that there are certain times and seasons in history when God WILL BACK CERTAIN RULERS TO rule NOT because they will rule in righteousness but to established His Sovereign will on earth-He says "my ways are not your ways"-like He raised up Pharaoh in the times of old and He also raised up Nebuchadnezzar. He even called the latter my servant in the Bible! How come, Nebuchadnezzar, is a servant of God? He came to serve the purpose of God; even though at the end he was judged himself.
These are my personal thoughts.
Thanks for airing my views.
Let brotherly love continues whether we are white, yellow or black-skinned! The kingdom of God is greater.
We must stand together, as God commands blessings on our nation in unity-Psalm 133:1-3.
May His sovereign will prevail for America in this election!
Let somebody there say Amen and then shout Hallelujah!
John Ekundayo
Singapore SE Asia
email: john@pastorjohn.org
All the woman was trying to say to consider the Bible. That is what preachers are supposed to do if they are worth their salt. I will boldly say that any Christian says that God chooses any politician in the US they are sadly mistaken. We in America are the ones that choose our political leaders. We decide with whatever moral compass or natural reasoning we can muster up. God does not make us vote His way. As Christians our minds are supposed to be renewed to His word. Again that is not something He does. We are told to do this in Romans 12:1-3. I am amazed at people saying that God chose Obama or McCain. I'm sure God is shaking his head on this one. We choose these people. Remember when the people rejected having judges rule them (God's plan at the time) and wanted a king because they did not like God's rule. Yes both men are imperfect but there are some glaring moral differences ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE. The Bible is our final authority or should be. We are in trouble if we select who we like with no regard for God and His word.
BTW for those that love to talk about McCain's adultery I heard him firsthand stated that he regretted that decision. What else is the man supposed to do? How many of you that have been caught in sin after salvation have repeated apologized for it after repentance? How many of you would appreciate your repented of sin thrown in your faces? Many had problems with his adultery if anyone bothered to pay attention to a lot of the reporting. That was one of the main problems many Christians had about him. The bottom line is that McCain ended up being the Republican nominee when the other eight or nine dropped out. Obama has also major moral problems with some of his political tactics with unseemly comrades that have been well reported, including potential voter registration fraud with ACORN whom he is in cohorts with with funds from his campaign. Again neither of them are perfect men. However this is what we have to choose from.
I am posting this prophetic word from a pastor. For those that receive this as a word from the Lord we are so past this election. I hope that those that read this seriously consider this in the days to come.
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TIME IS COMPRESSING
October 2008
Prophecy received at Grace Christian Center
Pastor Jim Martin
Hear what I would say to you this night. I am God; I sit on the throne of eternity. I know the beginning from the end. I am God and I saw the beginning of humanity and I have already seen the end. I know what has happened. I know what is happening and I know what will happen.
There is great joy in my heart because the hour is near when you will be with me for all eternity. There is also great sadness, because I know the
great hardship that is preparing to fall upon this world. I know what is going to happen. I already know those in my church who are going to turn
their backs on me and walk away and leave me for all eternity.
And I would have you know that this upcoming election is going to play a vital role in some turning their backs on me for all eternity. You need to
know this. You see, this as an election, but I tell you this night it is a pivotal point in human history and this is something that my church has failed to
grasp. This is not just another election. What you are seeing is a culmination of righteousness versus evil in a level of warfare heretofore never seen on this planet.
The days are short. There are many of you who have asked, and repeated constantly, how it seems like time is going by faster and faster. Hear what I
have to say to you: It is going faster and faster. The realm of eternity and the realm of the spirit is compressing time. Your science cannot measure
this because this compression is taking place at all levels; every part of natural creation is being impacted by this. That is why, from the natural
perspective of your science, nothing has changed; and yet something on the inside of man is saying things are changing. This is because your spirit
is detecting this compression of time. Now hear me, because the days are numbered and I have revealed this in my book. This compression of time must take place. There are those who will not receive this. There are those who will cry out, “Prove to me
scientifically how this is true.” And I would say unto you, I am God; I am the one who created the universe, I am not bound by it. And if I tell you
that these things are happening in the realm of the spirit, they are happening. If you will study my word you will see that this is true. Things
are going by faster.
There is a culmination of events that is taking place. And you need to mark my word, there are those in my church who have taken a very casual
attitude toward their walk with me. I know who they are and I know their hearts. And I'm telling you if you want to be serious with me, this is the time to do it, for your time is short. Hear me; I already see the end of humanity as recorded in my word. If I did not see it I could not have given it to my prophets to prophesy it. I see it. I am calling you to a place of accountability in me.
You are not to worry about what others do. You are not to worry about what is happening in other churches. You are not to worry about what other preachers and ministers and those who call themselves apostles and prophets are doing. Your concern and your interest must be in your
relationship with me; so I have called all to come unto me. That call concerns you as an individual more than anyone else because you are not
responsible for anyone else.
You need to know that there are many people who have walked through the doors of this building, experienced my presence, and I have spoken to
them about what they are supposed to do for me and how I will minister to them; and they have rejected it and they have walked out. There are
those who have taken a very casual attitude toward what I am doing in your midst in this place. Too many are looking at the outward, too many are
looking at the physical, too many are looking at the numbers and they're not looking with spiritual eyes and seeing what I am doing.
I'm telling you the tension in the realm of the spirit is increasing, and that tension is spilling over into your natural world. In the days to come you are
going to see more and more natural disasters. Some are not going to be very severe, others will be severe. It is because in the realm of the spirit
time is being compressed and evil is rising up for its last stand, and this has been revealed in my word. And I say unto you, take heart to what I'm doing.
Take heart to what I am sharing with you. Take seriously when I tell you that the days are short. You are living in the final hour of this world. There
are those who look at their clock and begin to measure the minutes when I say that you're living in the final hour; I am saying that time is drawing to a close.
So prepare yourself spiritually, because along with all of these other things, there is going to be an unbelievable outpouring of my glory and my power
and my anointing. This world is going to be shaken by a mighty move of my spirit. I will use you in this because many millions are going to be swept
into my kingdom as a result. So come to me and let me use you; let me work in you to prepare you, prepare you as a vessel unto glory and I will
use you in mighty ways. Keep your focus on me.
Yes, you should pray for those around you and pray for your family, but keep your focus on me. Do not let your friends and loved ones divert your attention away from me: remember Lots wife. So take what I am saying to you this night, take it seriously and know that the power of my love will see you through anything that arises in this world. I will be your shield. I will be your defender, says the Lord.
It is so sad to hear a so called man of God , make such lying slanders.i wonder what hidden motives you have you pastor mbijiwe.
iam from Kenya.you are lying to America. Don't take the place of God.
He is the righteous Judge.The earth Belongs to God and everything there in. He raises leaders and pull some down.Leave Him do the work.Remember you will be accountable for every word that comes out of your mouth.you either repent for your talk or suffer the consequences.
If the people who are called by His Name do not come together in unity, repent and pray, Senator Obama will be elected. America will have chosen unrighteousnes and judgement. Then the people who are called by His Name will have more of a reason to come together in unity, repent and pray.
If nothing else, the 2008 US presidential elections will break the myth that GOP stands for God's Only Party.
In reading Lee Grady's article, I do not see him as a racist. Quite on the contrary, I know personally and have seen his love for Africa. However he makes the same erroneous presumption Kimberly Daniels made that imperically voting democrat is ungodly and that voting republican is Christian.
Outlandish and simplistic as it may sound, this is the underlying thesis of every discussion or paradigm of politics and faith that runs through conservative Christendom. And it was one I once subscribed to.
When I came to America on exile from a country under military dictatorship, I was elated for the first time in my life to see a party I supported come to power. I have been to the White House numerous times and generally had my finger on the pulse of events that transpired in Conservative Christian circles during "our time" in office.
After the first term disillusionment set in even though I still prayed for Bush to defeat Kerry. At the end of the second term, it is clear that we won both electoral battles of 2000 and 2004 but we lost the war of making a positive impact in 8 years.
The reason I am in support of change is that I am too embarassed by the last few years. I did not support Clinton's candidacy because I did not think it was change enough. Thus my preference for Barack. Not his race.
So have I now become an infidel, anathema maranatha and apostate because of this? Kimberly Daniels makes a grievious error is assuming that this election boils down to abortion. We have flown that kite for too long and its run out of string.
First, America is not electing a pope - it is electing a president. Presidents are not products of single issue campaigns. For this reason, it is intellectually stingy to dumb down all the issues to one litmus test. For all we know, Hitler may have been staunchly Catholic and anti-abortion but that didn't stop the holocaust!
Secondly, we have had 8 years of motive and opportunity to deal with abortion. Or Sudan. Nothing really to show for it besides a couple of brand, spanking new supreme court justices. Or is it implicit in their views that the Republican party should rule forever and begin the biblical millennial reign right away? At what possible time should Americans be able to say "we have had enough of this?"
Thirdly, what stellar "Christian" credentials has Mccain espoused that makes him "the one who is to come?"
Bush was marketable as an ex-alcoholic who found the Lord and was delivered. No one knows Mccains Damascus road experience, if any. Or is it American conservative theology of politics that the party platform sanctifies the candidate? If that is the case, the path to heaven is not the lamb that takes away the sins of the world but the elephant that takes away the sins of the nominee!
Besides the very specific facts of the context that I have highlighted, there is also the broader issue that these viewpoints on the righteousness of the religious right as a right is not right in the light of scripture. It is simply not biblical.
1. God is the one who raises up and brings down kings. Ask David. He went from being an exile and brigand wanderer to king of Israel.
The Bible says in Psalm 75 v 5-6
6For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south.
7But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.
2. God engages in direct diplomacy with rulers. Ask Abraham. God spoke to a king to warn him off from Abraham's wife. And Daniel and Joseph all used by God to speak to authoritarian emperors, God's counsel.
Proverbs 21 says
1 Go The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.
3. God has expectations of rulers and holds them accountable. Ask Saul. Although God was unhappy that the Israelites rejected him, he gave them the king they demanded but worked with him.
11 "I am grieved that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions." Samuel was troubled, and he cried out to the LORD all that night.
Few countries in the world have the privilege of having Christians as president. Yet God must work with such rulers as "governor among the nations." Not all Americas presidents were born again, yet His will was done in America.
A worldview that holds that a non-evangelical is not Christian enough to be president is plain and simple preposterous in light of the foregoing bible passages. Historically President Kennedy was Catholic. Clinton, ironically was an evangelical (Baptist) but yet not fitting the fingerprint of "true" Christianity. Carter was a born again Christian - and democrat - who is not fondly remembered for his legacy.
Lee's assumption is that God is not for Obama because Obama is not anti-abortion. The war and the economy which are equally life-threatening issues do not warrant a review. But he fails to address what was Obama's most impressive point in the debates - the commonality that unwanted pregnancies are a nationwide epidemic and more should be done on prevention!
If unwanted pregnancies is the AIDS pandemic of America, doesn't it make sense to mobilize an ABC - Abstinence, Be Faithful and Condoms program (or in this case Adoption, Birth Control and Condoms) here as has been under Bush's PEPFAR initiative in Africa? Can't we even agree on this for starters?
Kimberly and Lee rail on black Christians for voting Obama. It is a misguided charge. The black vote is simply not a factor in this race. In fact it has seldom ever been. Over 90% of African Americans have voted Democratic in recent times more so than Whites. And that consistently.
If the difference between black democratic party votes in the last presidential elections and this year's election is 5%, it really is not a monumental game changer by any stretch of the imagination. High incarceration rates as well as disenfranchisement by conviction and civic apathy are among the factors that minimize the population potency of the black electorate.
Thus all the effort to paint the racial dynamic of this election from the black side of the street is truly an exercise in shadow boxing. There are more people going to vote for Mccain because he is white than there are people going to vote for Obama because he is black.
Lets look at the facts. The folks that gave Obama his initial great showing in the primaries were White folks. Blacks were not even with him at the time. These white democrats were voting for him not because he was black. Paradoxically the blacks were not voting for him because he was black.
Eventually they came around but he has simply ended up going from black vote deficit to zero on the scale because he has inherited the self-same default black voter setting that Kerry, Bill Clinton and Al Gore had (who by the way were all not black.)
Kimberly is very much mistaken in assumming that the Christian party is the Republican party. It is the cummulative effect of associating God with a race and with rhetoric. The dominance of White conservative Christian media in Christendom has probably created this association even for well meaning black Christians. True, the conservative worldview is closer to the biblical one but conservatism does not Christianity make.
Blacks are culturally conservative but politically liberal because conservatism has failed to adequately bridge the gap. God is not white, White is not Christian and Christian is not republican ergo a vote for Obama is not anti-God.
Kimberly must remember that we are not in a vote to elect a replacement for Billy Graham (although given that he like Pat Robertson has been a registered democrat, he is probably not Christian enough to be president!)
In 2006, I was deeply stunned when an top evangelical leader i had worked with, liked and respected was outed in a gay sex scandal weeks before the election. I remarked then that his philosophy that conservatives should be "morally consistent but politically inconsistent" had been inverted. The conservative movement was "politically consistent (republican) and morally inconsistent."
The cause of conservatism will be advanced if for once, Christians in the movement would be honest enough to say, " we failed. we were not compassionate conservatives. we did not serve well. We are open to others to try where we failed." Penitence and penance together with veracity are good Christian virtues.
And I think God would approve of this message.
Emmanuel
Washington DC
Kim, you are a voice in the wilderness, and I heartily agree with you! As for some who say that "God is in control, therefore, whoever wins is God's will," you are theologically at odds with scripture! God gave man a free will, and THAT is His will! It was not God's will that Israel have a king, but the people demanded one, and they got King Saul. He consorted with a witch to make a decision affecting his nation, instead of seeking the wisdom of God via the prophets! God will allow us to have what we desire, and we will either be more blessed or cursed by our decision. Of course, no candidate is perfect, and will fit all our Christian ideals, but we must support the one who most embodies those principles. For those of you who seem to be resentful of McCain's wealth, you apparently don't want to recognize that Obama, also, is a millionaire, but on the backs of taxpayers, not personal industry! Try looking up how much money the liberal democrat politicians give to charity (who are sooo willing to give yours away for you!!) versus how much conservative republican politicians give to charity! Talk about putting your money where your mouth is!
The bottom line is, as Kim so eloquently stated, to vote for someone who supports abortion is to have the blood of innocent children on your hands, and GOD WILL JUDGE YOU as a co-conspirator in a murder! Thanks to President Bush, we are just ONE supreme court appointment away from reversing Roe v. Wade, and that appointment will happen in the next 4 years! If laws against abortion don't matter, then why did the abortion rate skyrocket after it became legal??
A reversal of Roe v. Wade may save the doctor that will someday save your child's life, or be the person that will discover how to keep an asteroid from destroying our planet, or,...you get the picture!
And, yes, we DO legislate morality!! That's what laws do! They say what is "wrong" and what is "right," (not always right, thus the need for righteous lawmakers) and what punishment should be imposed for breaking those laws! For you that think we can't legislate morality, PLEASE don't waste our tax money using our public servants when someone hurts you and yours by breaking a "law." They are needed for those that are truly hurt by lawbreakers.
Kim, keep preaching the word! May our heavenly Father protect you and yours!
I am so amazed at the ignorance of those who call themselves called of God. I have never seen such insulting statements from mostly white church leaders. The threat of having an African American President is freaking them out. This nation has racism as it's foundational fabric. The so called founding fathers were not seekers of God. They didn't have the basic fiber of God LOVE in their heart. My fathers were not invited to the table. They were being mistreated in the slave fields. Yes, that was long ago, but the superior feeling still lingers in many whites.
Kim Daniels, how many whites do you pastor? If you minister at a "mixed" congregation, what race is the pastor? Let me answer, WHITE! Why, because white Christians will not follow a black Spirit filled leader? Why, because they're black. How dare you Kim Daniels pretend you've heard from God. There will be some exposing. Yes, there will be exposing. Jehovah is calling an end to the rediculous hipocracy we have called church. Racism continues because of the white church that endorsed racism. Wake up. Black and White please wake up. Enough is enough. I hope no one, black or white will be fooled by this garbage folk call speaking for God. John McCain and his wife are killing plenty of people with their beer business!!! Yes Kim, you're voting for the beer drinker now?
By the way, did God give Adam a choice? A choice in which Adam choose the wrong thing? Did Adam's choice cause the death of many including his own son? Hummm??? I guess God's judgement will start with himself if abortion is the only reason we should use to choose the next president. By the way, pro-choice is not pro-abortion. The above example of "God makes him a pro-choice God. Not pro-death or pro-abortion, but pro-choice. Choose you this day!!! Remember that?
Kim, let's all fall on our knees and repent. Don't play like you have some private talk session and connection to God!
Well, I don't know if this will get posted or not due to its controversial nature, but I'll say it anyway. If Obama gets in, I have ABSOLUTELY No intention of praying for him, except for his removal from office by whatever means are necessary. (But I guess that would be interpreted as racist, a threat, or whatever the left & many so-called Christians who have posted in this thread would say. At least I am honest about NOT praying for him rather than doing so & NOT meaning it, which would be worse. Thumbs up to Lee, and ESPECIALLY Kimberly, for having the guts to tell it like it is & standing against the liberal tide even within the church. A sad sight to see and hear. While I am not thrilled with McCain on a number of levels, the alternative is unthinkable & must be stopped. (By the way, for those of you who think I am a racist for saying much of this, MY preferred candidate was Alan Keyes, the ONLY black running for the Republican nomination, but then again, he can't really be a conservative Republican & black at the same time - like Clarence Thomas & some others as well). I'll stop here before I really get going... haha - Good night & God bless - Andrew J. Persac
hey fellow fellow Mccain is not an angel same as Obama, but as for me with the bad things u see on Obama, he seems to be right man at this time to be president...many other Christians are praying for him
as u continue to pray for your preferred candidate...
but we are friends u know
no hard feelings
Pastor Kim you are absolutely right on this subject, as a pastor who is black I too am not a "Uncle Tom," or whatever. I WILL NOT vote for Sen. Obama, because his platform DOES NOT line up with the word of God for ALL the reasons you stated. I want a black man or woman to one day occupy the White House but not this black man there are too many red flags about his associations here and in Africa, too many stated beliefs that are opposed to the word of God and his answers to moral questions leave a lot to be desired.
Christians (who happen to be black,) "be not conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind," Romans 12:2
I CANNOT support Sen. Obama for president because his platform flies in the face the the WORD OF THE LIVING GOD!
There is a pull for us as black people to vote for a black candidate (it's a spirit!) but I cannot vote for someone whose stated beliefs are things that I have preached against for over 20 years I WILL NOT COMPROMISE my integrity or my convictions to see a man of color, (or any man for that fact) receive my vote, it's not about "sellng out" or anything (even though I am sold out to the WORD OF GOD) as you said Pastor Kim "it's about being on the right side!"
kim go ask john mccain why he voted for pro-abortion justice stephen breyer and pro - abortion ruth bader ginsbuger. for suprem court. go ask cindy mccain .who said roe vs wade should not be over turned. and bush wife . and mother . john mccain was a member of the infamous gang of 14 sentors from both parties . whose purpose was to oppose pro- life strict constructionist judges. republican appointments dominated the court that gave us roe vs wade. go google . john mccain pro life what a joke. by chuck baldwin. and you will see the truth. plus go read jer 23. you are not talking for the lord if you were you would be telling the republicans to repent . you think THEY SPEAK FOR GOD ? they are more evil then the dem. because they hate the poor and read the bible he that mocks the the poor mocks his maker . so you say john mccain IS for the lord all john mccain is for is money. money. money. you see how hard he is fighting for the unborn? when all he talks about is money. money. money. let me ask you how much money do you kim .make a year? go sell all and give to the poor . PLUS TRY READING I TIM 6 . I DONT VOTE FOR NO ONE. JESUS IS OUR ONLY HOPE NO MAN. but the lord has showed ME obama will win. the church is fighting just like the reb and the dem . go read ISAIAH 56.9-12 AND PLEASE REPENT you do not speak for GOD . AND TO ALL THE MINISTERS WHO WANT MCCAIN WHY are YOU going mad why? trust the LORD you dont have to lie and try to scare the sheep.the sheep has seen the greedy pastors and there running for there life.if you want to help please tell your sheep your salary? you to kim post your salary. i know if i was to ask JESUS HOW MUCH HE MADE HE WOULD TELL ME . plus GOD HATES LIES
Thank you for speaking straight to the heart of the matter.
I already voted!! I carefully considered every candidate according tho the Right to Life endorsements.
Obama says it's ok to kill children outside the womb. Where will it end?
The homosexuals want the heart of the nation through the youth. Their agenda includes the elelmentary public schools! The leader of GLSEN left his post to join the Obama team.
I also read a quote he made from his nomination acceptance speach and his close associations that say how he is affecting the planet and how a savior is among us. This was some time ago and I immediately turned to Matthew 24.
Wake up those who belong to the Lord!!
PLEASE every one go google
john mccain pro life what a joke. by chuck baldwin . plus google . republicans dont want to over turn roe vs wade. thank you
Looking from the UK I am seeing a lot of people judging because of hate. People voting for Obama because he is black and they do not trust McCain/Palin and have hate in their hearts. To do this violates two Biblical principles. The first is to forgive others as God has forgiven you. If you can not find it in your heart to forgive, and vote on Biblical principles not race, then you violate the teaching on the Lords Prayer. You also give a foothold to the ENEMY. The Apostle Paul teaches that if we let the sun go down on our anger (we do not walk in forgiveness) we give satan access to our lives. We give the devil authority to control us - yes even Pentacostals can do this.
I am not asking you to vote for McCain or Obama - I am asking you, for the sake of America, for the sake of your children, to allow God to examine your hearts. America will not be judged for voting for Obama, it will be judged for the hate in its heart.
(On the Iraq issue, I have sat with people who work in Iraq and spoken with them. I have heard first hand from people who worked under Sadam Hussein. They have all told me the same message - the WMDs exist.)
Please, in the run up to the Presidential election, search your hearts and allow God to expose personal and corporate sin, especially the sin of unforgiveness. Then vote along Biblical lines, and if you can not forgive do not vote - or you will stand in danger of judgement of a serious sin. Please, for the sake of Christ - in your anger do not sin.
Phelim
1 john mccain owns 7 houses and over 10 cars . read 1 tim 6
john mccain is guilty for the murder of the unborn. thou salt not kill. he voted for pro abortion judges for suprem court.
3 john mccain hates the poor prov 17-5
4 john mccain cant stop lieing prov 6- 6-12
5 john belives in evelotion
6 john mccain left his frist wife for a rich young lady with money.
7 if you think john mccain is on the lords side your blind he has decived the church with his lies about abortion to get church voters when in fact the blood of the unborn crys out john mccain is guilty
now go look it all up
8 joe leberman the one john is always talking about the one who was at rnc who talked for john . the one john really wanted to be vp by the whey he is pro- coice.
9 read prov 28.15. 30.14. 29.7 31.9 . isaiah 3.14
There is a former military general in the US that knew Saddam Hussein. He is a Christian man. He has been travelling across the country and says that the WMDs do exists. He told how they were moved before we went in, the type of planes that transported them AND that some of them were used during the Jordan suicide attacks a few years back. He has been debriefed by our government. He stated that our officials believe him but will not say anything until they get physical proof.
Unfortunately with the government as it stands they are not interested in anything but getting rid of the moral vote in our country. If they have to suppress information to do they will. I have only heard from one news source that a bi-partisan committee in our government (majority of the opposite party to our president) have investigated the reason to go to war. They have CLEARED Pres. Bush of any wrongdoing. They have said that he went in there in good faith AND DID NOT LIE TO US. Sad to say way too many of us are not checking out information. We do this to our peril.
I agree that hatred is ruling this election. Our media is provoking this. It is really sad to me that too many Christians cannot see this. We must vote according to the Bible the best we can. TIn the Bible Jesus calls those that hate others murderers. That is a pretty brutal indictment.
P.S. I thot the analysis speaks to the subtle bias issue which I didn't address in my longer response.
What if..
Obama/Biden vs McCain/Palin, what if things were switched
around?..... think about it.
Would the country's collective point of view be different? Could racism
be the culprit?
Ponder the following:
What if the Obamas had paraded five children across the stage, including
a three month old infant and an unwed, pregnant teenage daughter?
What if John McCain was a former president of the Harvard Law Review?
What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating
class?
What if McCain had only married once, and Obama was a divorcee?
What if Obama was the candidate who left his first wife after a severe
disfiguring car accident, when she no longer measured up to his
standards?
What if Obama had met his second wife in a bar and had a long affair
while he was still married?
What if Michelle Obama was the wife who not only became addicted to pain
killers but also acquired them illegally through her charitable
organization?
What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?
What if Obama had been a member of the Keating Five?
What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?
What if Obama couldn't read from a teleprompter?
What if Obama was the one who had military experience that included
discipline problems and a record of crashing seven planes? And was never
given a command position.
What if Obama was the one who was known to display publicly, on many
occasions, a serious anger management problem?
What if Michelle Obama's family had made their money from beer
distribution?
What if the Obamas had adopted a white child?
You could easily add to this list. If these questions reflected reality,
do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they
are?
This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes
positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in
Another when there is a color difference.
Educational Background:
Barack Obama:
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in
International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude
Joseph Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)
vs.
John McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899
Sarah Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism
Education isn't everything, but this is about the two highest offices
in the land as well as our standing in the world. You make the call.
Thank you Pastor Kim for taking a stand for HOLINESS & RIGHTEOUSNESS. It's time for those who are on the Lord side to STAND UP and STAND OUT. It's grieves my heart to see so many professing Christians who are in agreement with individuals who are okay with aborting babies, and for same-sex marriages, which God has already told us in His word that it is an abomination (God hates & detest). I truly believe that when we stand before God, we will have to give an account of our deeds...do you not think how you place your vote will come into play? God see's everything that we do - even the private matters. We the Body of Christ need to pray God's will. God gives us warning and we have to recognize and heed to those warnings. We don't want the Judgment of God upon this Nation, but we cry out for His mercy.
For those who have not voted yet, ask God for guidance in placing your vote. Don't go by your own reasoning, but seek God's guidance and He will direct you. Ask God's will to be done! NOT THE WILL OF MAN, BUT THE WILL OF GOD! Look closely at the beliefs of the candidates and VOTE THE BIBLE!
Finally, as believers, stand in the gap for our nation and repent for our arrogance towards God and His Word!
Dallas, TX
Thank you, Kim for the word of the Lord. I sensed with my spirit that what you declare is from the Holy Spirit. It is sad that "christians" are willing to sell their souls for the almighty dollar. I love the point you made about Israel having economic prosperity while commiting grievous sin.
The Lord spoke to me many years ago and showed me that there is a parallel between the nation of Judah and the United States of America. Both were founded on the laws of God. Judah fell into sin and after many chances to repent, God said enough! Remember what the prophet said to Josiah when he sought for the books of the law that were in the temple. Josiah was told that the Lord was appreciative of the zeal he had to do right, but that because of the previous king (Manasseh) judgement was going to fall, just not until after Josiah's death. I feel that we in America are past the point of no return. The stench of our sin as a nation over our fascination with abominable practices of homosexuality and offering our children unto Molech in the name of "a woman's right to choose" has reached Heaven. We need to pray for revival so that God will stave off judgement (I'm thinking of the example of Assyria repenting at the preaching of Jonah) but I'm also sure that judgement will come for our past sins. Our country has many more sins which we are guilty of that warrants God's judgement but it's because of the remnant of the church praying and seeking Him that has kept that judgement at bay.
So what do we do if we know that judgement is sure but the timing is unknown? First is to seek Him with our whole heart. Next, we need to pray for wisdom to walk in holiness. Thirdly, we need to be a light and testimony to the world. Unless our actions match our words and infused by the power of the Holy Ghost, our words are empty.
The Spirit spoke to me that we are in the days of 2 Chronicles 36:14-16. God, out of His compassion, sent messengers and prophets daily to warn the people of His judgement and His ways, the people mocked, and as scripture says, "til there was no remedy." When God's judgement was poured out, it was complete. May God have mercy on the remnant of the body of Christ that hasn't succumbed to compromise, iniquity, and idolatry.
Leroy
Thank You and amen!
I believe we should pray that God's will should be done in the choice of President in the United States at such a time as this rather than choosing a particular candidate as God's will. God is still Sovereign and has control over all things. Let us not put our trust in man but rather in God who can use anybody (McCain or Obama) to achieve His purpose here on earth because the heart of a king is in the hands of God and turns it whichever way He wants it like the rivers of water, (see Prov 21:1). Thank you.
God bless you, my beloved sister, for speaking the truth; you are indeed a Prophetess - not a title, but a calling - and it fits you well. Never be silenced by criticism but joyfully and courageously continue to proclaim the full counsel of God. I am blessed by your columns.
Jeanette Kelly
Atlanta, GA
Sweet Prince,
you are so on point!!!!!
The blatant bias here on charisma has become so bathetic, I come here everyday to read just for laughs.
I think that what this all boils down to is FEAR, cloaked in self-righteousness, but really fear stemming from a racial past. White Christians, especially, want to hold on to this similance of status quo because they are afraid. God says we will know what kind of tree by its fruit.
Where are McCain/Palin's good fruit? They trade in lies, innuendoes, attacks, distractions, fear tactics, on and on. They got so bad, they insult our intelligence with their blatant lies and even the traditional media (save Fox, or is it faux?) can not in good conscience follow along with their script. But so-called christians only want to march to this beat of the gay agenda/the abortion agenda and refuse to look at the other issues at stake.
Most white people, even christians, think blacks are equal with them, but in their heart, they are afraid of a black in person in power or do not believe that we can do at least an adequate job. They resist being under black leadership, even in christian churches, as Sweet Prince has rightfully pointed out.
So yes, they would rather follow Dumb and Dumber, with their empty talking heads, than seriously consider a well-thought, organized, disciplined candidate because he is black. Then they have the nerve to turn around and try to put a guilt trip on black christians who have always historically voted democrat anyway, regardless of the fact that final democrat candidates have always been white men.
The bottom line is, Obama is popular, because he is smart, likeable and has built a platform on unity, social involvement, etc. People are tired of the divisive nature our dear christian friend George Bush has championed. It is the hallmark of the republican party. There is nothing more destructive than a simple brainless christian, being puppeteered by evil men. There is a literal revival of good works going on at the grass roots level in Obama circles, areas that christians could actually join and effect change in. But no, we are too bust hiding behind our silos, fearful of the unknown, even though it is showing ample good fruit.
We christians have given white unknowns, even dunces, many chances, just because they named the name of the Lord. But we will do no such thing for a black man. Oh no. The world will come to an end if we do. He is a terrorist, a marxist, a socialist, the anti-christ. This is so tiresome.
Once upon a time, Christians were terrifed of russia. The great evil communist empire. When the walls finally came down, russia was so starved and disorganized it was not even funny. We had the timing wrong completely. Right under our noses, this very moment, russia is building itself up to be what we thought it was decades ago.
Obama is NOT the anti-christ. None of this doom and gloom stuff is going anywhere. The times and seasons have been shut up and will only be revealed when God is ready. Right now, we see in part. We know in part. I resent christian leaders using their partial knowledge to tear down a well-reasoned, great candidate who is already showing us by his fruit what kind of president he would be.
He does not slander. He is a man of his word and speaks carefully so he will not lie. he respects authority, even when the authority is wrong, and does not knee cap them even when he could. (Hillary had enough dirty stuff for Obama to make the conerstone of his campaign. He did not touch it and God continues to raise him up for it) That's called meekness -- controlled power. Where is Sarah's fruit of the spirit?
Does anyone remember that God had already told David he would succeed Saul and Saul was trying to kill David? David had opportunities to avenge himself but swore he would not touch God's annointed because he knew Saul was put in power by God. If you, so-called christians really had your radar up, you would have seen all these kinds of attributes being practised by Obama. He could have gone after Hillary in the worst way. He didn't. He said he would not run a negative campaign and he has stayed true to his principles. But you won't see these things because you only see black and unknown or unfamiliar. Meanwhile God's Own Party people run around, wreaking havoc, confusing people, acting like little devils, our christian leaders have been sleeping with the enemy for so long they don't see or know any better. Because it looks comfortable.
Look, at the end of the day, God is still on the throne. If McCain wins, we Americans and Christians are really stupid and we deserve him. Our country has been going downhill anyway so we can just help acclerate the process. He is half-way senile, trigger happy and can't wait to get into more wars. And our so-called Esther (Palin) barely reads and knows anything from the world's perspective. She abuses her power and bullies people who do not agree with her. So does McCain. He leashes his angry temper tantrums and curses at people. Oh yeah! We really want them to lead, ugly fruit and nuts hanging out for the whole world to see.
But,none of that matters to us christians. Simply because Sarah names the name of the Lord. SO we all blindly follow her. We don't look at the fruit, and we choose to disbelieve what even the impartials are saying about her. But the Lord says on that day "I will say to some depart from me, you workers of iniquity" and then will we be shocked!!!
In response to a comment made about not praying for Obama should he be elected -- 1Tim. 2:1-2 calls for us to pray for those in positions of authority. Verse 3 goes on to say this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior. If the Word says to do it, we must do it. As I've said before, I am not voting FOR McCain -- I am voting AGAINST Obama. I am voting the Word. To know the Word is to do the Word.
Hey Sweet Prince:
What if...
Christians aligned themselves with the heart of God...
Christians prayed...
Christians would separate themselves from the world and ungodliness....
Christians were not man pleasers...
Christians were Christlike...
THANK YOU JESUS!!! i had been stuck in which direction i needed to be going, I had been listening to family and friends speak and just kind of keeping my comments to myself and waiting to hear from the lord, Just this morning i asked the lord to show me his direction and i believe he just did thru you and i thank the the lord for being in my life or i would not have known that this is his word speaking out and not the flesh. I totally agree with what you said about judging either parties we are not here to judge but we can judge the fruits!! AMEN SISTER!! I too believe we need to be comparing to the word of god not man.......thank you for speaking up for christianity, It is just that more inspiring to spread the word of god and to stand firm that no matter who makes it we our to conitnue to pray for them and stand firm in JESUS CHRIST OUR SAVIOR!!
Let’s quit playing games…calling each other out and messing with each other’s emotions…because the simple fact is that even though we are saved and washed by the blood of the Lamb…sanctified…tongue speaking, and we tote our Bibles “daily”...yet we are still sinners.
I can tell you this...we have all sinned and do not deserve to be considered by God at all. We can’t buck God's plans for us...especially when things don’t look like what we want them to...point blank...God can change the hearts of men...It really isn’t all that hard for Him…He did it for me...and I was running hard…personally…I was low down...scum of the earth... definitely morally corrupt and on my way to hell...until He stepped in (right on time I must add) and filled my heart with His Spirit...now I am forever changed...and I owe it all to Jesus!!!
I am sure He has done the same for you.
Now I tell you…someone definitely was praying for me...My momma…my grandma…my aunts and uncles…to name a few…but we all know that Jesus sits at the right hand of God making intercession prayer for us right now…so then why can’t we...or better yet...shouldn’t we pray for our leaders.
Straight talk…I am not voting for Sen. Obama. It is no surprise to me that he is so popular…remember King Saul was also the people’s champ. We need change in this country…but the kind of change that we need is the kind that is going to turn us back to God. But the senator is way too over the top for me and I truly believe that he is being used, misled, and influenced by other people (coupled with his own personal pride) who want to use him to get their agenda pushed through into the laws of this land. He needs our witness...and definitely our prayers.
The person that we really want to lead this country is not a real person at all….which one of us mere humans can say that we have led a perfected life…You can poke holes through the most outstanding citizens and turn them into the villain. I know that there are pictures of me that would totally disqualify me…and I truly love the Lord…but there is no escape from our past in the eyes of man…but God has provided us an escape from our future…I am talking about a battle that has already been WON!!! Now we saints of God…have to stand with our eyes wide open….in the victory that is in Christ Jesus. We can’t allow ourselves to be in awe and totally consumed with whatever God has planned…we all want the sweet smelling roses…but when in a desert place…a cactus or shade tree would be a very welcome sight.
We needed a good wake up call. We can’t fall down now….especially after all we have endured in the past year…I’m talking about all the scandals…we can’t act like we don’t trust Him now. The world needs to see in the true follower of Christ… that no matter what the situation is or what the circumstance…that our faith in God is steadfast …Jesus is Lord…and that we love each other. Let’s just take God at His Word, trust and believe that it is going to work out and continue to pray for each other.
God Bless you!!!
I am a neighbor to the north, and we have just elected a minority government with strong conservative philosophy. We may find ourselves going into another election in six to eight months, if there is that much time left for us.
Time. We have the very best weather predictions because our meteorologists are skilled scientists and understand atmospheric phenomena. Unfortunately, our leaders (elected government officials or pastors) cannot discern the time or season.
Vote Republican, and America will attack Iran, opening another major combat scenario in a distant land. If America doesn't attack, Israel will, then Russia will retaliate drawing America into the battle.
Vote Democrat, and America will attack Pakistan (a muslim country that HAS nuclear weapons), and we will offend our best Islamic ally. Should that not occur, Israel will still attack Iran, Russia will retaliate and America will not respond.
Take either scenario, and you will we that the prophets predicted this.
Jesus said, "When you see these things come to pass, LOOK UP for your redemption draws nigh."
America, where are you looking?
Blessings,
Eli
Pastor Kim,
God bless you greatly...ABSOLUTELY AMEN! to all that was said. You're on point. This is a ridiculous mess and the eyes of many in the church remain to be blinded to the truth...similar to when the pulpit's eyes were blinded to the whole and complete homosexual agenda some 30 to 40 years ago.
I am doing all I can to spread an objective word:
When "Gay Day" Comes your Way: http://bethelburnett.blogspot.com/2008/10/when-gay-day-comes-your-way-homosexual.html
Baracking The Gay Agenda:
http://bethelburnett.blogspot.com/2008/01/barack-ing-gay-agenda-can-we-really-say.html
and
The 100% Change Man: http://bethelburnett.blogspot.com/2008/07/100-change-man.html
We need help because we will certainly have something to deal with afterwards.
God bless you greatly.
My solemn prayer and plea in faith is that God's Hand will remain upon you and your voice shall be heard. Clearly the Spirit of the risen Lord is operating in your life, Kimberly. Stay focused on HIS FACE and HIS PRESENCE, and He will guard and protect you all the days of your life. God is with you ... every moment of every day. Jeremiah 1, Psalm 91. Peace.
Thank you Kim for standing up as a Christian leader and proclaiming the truth of the Word of God. We need the prophets of God of today to speak.You have a platform to be heard, and I, and many, appreciate your stand being made publicly, speaking for so many of us that feel our voices are not being heard. I attend a mixed church and I love my brothers and sisters. I pray that my brothers and sisters of color will remember the words of Martin Luther King: To not judge people by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. Why are not our black brothers and sisters judging Barack Obama by his character instead of his color? I'm afraid they really don't believe King's words when actually put to the test. Well done, obedient servant of the Lord!
I just cannot believe that you, Aps. Kimberly Daniels, have written such hateful, unnecessary, inaccurate and just plain stupid remarks. I for one, am proud of Mr. Barack Obama, the next president of the United States. and by the way, I am no longer a commander in your watch.
Division. Division. Division. Who is laughing at all this? Our focus is so much in the physical that we can't see the spiritual battle here. Whether you are for or against this article the divisive comments here hurt the heart of our Father. This is not about either candidate but their positions on key issues that are near and dear to our Heavenly Father.
Will eliminating abortions legislatively curtail all use of the practice? No, some will still find a way to go through with what they have purposed in their hearts to do.
Does a door open in the heavenlies when any government officially sanctions a way of life? Absolutely. Just talk with those living under Sharia law in Muslim lands. These laws deal with many facets of day-to-day life: including politics, economics, banking, business, contracts, family, sexuality, hygiene, and social issues. Do the laws of a government affect the way the people think? Absolutely. Does this way of thinking (corporate mindset) affect the way the people of the land act? Absolutely.
To propose, as some here have, that an Obama presidency and the viewpoints he has clearly expressed will have little affect on the number of abortions, the increase of homosexuality, and the general moral decay of society is to fool ourselves. Is God Sovereign? Absolutely. Does He hold all things in His hands? Absolutely. Does Biblical history indicate that the decisions of leadership have very real ramifications on the destiny of individuals and nations? Absolutely. (Saul missed his destiny – it was spoken over him the same promises spoken of David, “if” he would live in obedience to the Lord, David and Bathsheba – this sin cost thousands of lives including his own sons, Solomon and his wives/idols cost his descendants the kingdom. Read Judges – 2 Kings and you will begin to recognize the significance of avoiding any leader who opens the door for God’s judgment through their decisions.
That brings us to Republican and Democrat – are either “without sin”? Absolutely not. Is greed and selective generosity a sin against the Lord? Absolutely. Is it rampant both inside and outside the church walls? Absolutely. Does it need to be repented of? Absolutely. But if you look at the Biblical record, many sins took place in the kingdoms of the earth (worship of Baal/money – worship of Ashtoreth/sex) but when a society sunk to the depths of sacrificing their own children to their gods –this innocent bloodshed was often among the final straws before a REAL judgment came that swept the land of its inhabitants. (Today we sacrifice our children to the “gods” of comfort and ease/my life my rights). There is no doubt there is sin on both sides, but to think as believers in Jesus Christ that we can justify voting for the viewpoints of the current Democratic platform because they have a better grasp of various social issues is a sad state to be in. Is our thought that by voting for our people on our day to day financial concerns, that we can somehow justify the parties stance toward the lives of the unborn? Can we as a nation afford to have the institution of marriage take another major hit by “redefinition”? But wait a minute, do such laws have a very real affect on peoples mindsets and therefore their actions? Yes.
This is not about Republican or Democrat. Both are far from perfect. I myself was considering not voting at all. But I began to hear further of Obama’s intentions and I knew I must vote, if nothing else, to avoid his “new direction” for the nation. When I read the Dutch Sheets “prayer alert” (http://www.dutchsheets.org/index.cfm) revealing the fact that the next president has the possibility of putting into position 2-5 Supreme Court Justices – my heart began to ache. I have a hard time eating/sleeping at this point. Why? The destiny of this nation is on the line and the church is by and large asleep at the wheel. Divided and unsure of God’s will. Or so certain of “God’s will” when often they have merely looked at the appearance and not the heart.
I recently spent time with a Ugandan “prayer missionary” who shared about the importance of this election. Without knowing any of the details in the natural, he groaned inwardly that the church did not have clarity on God’s choice. Traveling around to many churches he often said, “Don’t choose who you think should be president – seek God for His choice.” He spoke of the judgment to come should Obama be elected. Is he racially biased? He is African. Is he biased because of a particular political party? I’m not sure he even knows the terms “Democrat and Republican”. Who does he think he is to speak out on our election? He knows the Father. Through much fasting and prayer this man was used of the Lord to open vast territories in Western Uganda to the Gospel. During his time here he gave grave warnings of the importance of this election.
The times are urgent. Division in the church is unproductive even in an issue as large as this. We must come together. Whether Democrat or Republican we as the church must agree on the true standards of God. Then we must allow the Spirit of God to examine our own hearts and repent of every way in which the sin of the land is still in us (Individually and corporately). May God grant us the grace to see our sin as He sees it and repent. The time is short. We are closer now than when we first began. Do not vote your will – seek Christ for His – no matter what it may feel like it is costing you now to do so – it will cost you and our nation far less in the years to come.
In Him,
CJV
OK, Kim. That's fine that you are comparing Obama to 'The Word of God'. Now, we're waiting for your comparison of John McCain to 'The Word of God'.
(crickets chirping...)
Herein lies the problem, Kim -- basing decisions upon UNRIGHTEOUS standards, and then referring to such as 'righteousness'. I will explain.
Let's be TRULY spiritual and TRULY biblical (as well as intellectually honest): If the standard is "comparing to the Word of God' a candidate's righteousness or "judging the tree by the fruit", as you suggest, THEN NO CANDIDATE IS DESERVING OF THE CHRISTIAN'S VOTE. As far as what the Bible teaches, there is only ONE STANDARD of righteousness -- that of Christ (Rom 3:21-22).
So then it is self-deception to choose one candidate over another based upon A STANDARD NEITHER OF THEM MEETS. Yet you and other Christians foolishly go about claiming in effect, that one candidate is MORE righteous because of his STATED (and I do emphasize 'stated') position on abortion and same sex couples, and that the other is LESS righteous because his. That is not only absurd, but is in complete contradiction to biblical teaching on judging and discerning.
Yes, I agree that Christians must seek to maintain a Christ-centered focus in their daily living (Gal 5:22-26). And while this is a noble and good intention, one must recognize the limitation to its application.
"Who Would Jesus Vote For?", is the question many Christians ask. Well in attempting to answer it, we must begin by acknowledging that there is absolutely NOTHING IN SCRIPTURE regarding voting. Further, we must understand that WE ARE NOT JESUS. We cannot presume that He would vote, or that He would make choices the way we would. And to say that a person is condemned or "accountable" for not voting 'the way Jesus would' is nothing short of heresy.
The bottom line is this: , Either candidate you choose will swear an oath to "faithfully execute the office of President of the United States", and to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States". Thus, whatever laws are in effect -- whether it be right to an abortion or right to same sex unions -- he is bound by THE U.S. CONSTITUTION (not God) to uphold it.
This is the reality, and we must vote with that reality in mind. So, rather than dividing over presidential candidates, we as Christians would do better to find ways to promote godly influence beyond just voting. This, of course, begins with prayer.
Regards,
Kevin aka 'NYTN'
http://www.youtube.com/NotYourTypicalNegro
I believe that people who discriminate against gays and lesbians ARE BY FAR THE MOST HATEFUL people who ever existed. You are ALL using God as an excuse to hate an antire population. You may not use the word "hate" but you sure are a bunch of hippocrites regardless of what words you use. This is YOUR religious belief system, not others. Obama giving PEOPLE rights to marry and to LOVE, is something you call learn from. You ALL give religions a BAD name. We're going backwards because of SOMEONE ELSE'S RELIGION!!! They are human beings who bleed the same, love equally, and see exactly what you do, but without these distorted ways of life. DO you think they will all jsut disappear one day??? And if "thou shall not judge", then you need to all shut up. That "God" you are talking about would never hurt anyone, and if he wanted us all the same, we would all be nuns and priests. Open your eyes to reality already. You're a bunch of BIGOTS. And I;m sure you will extract quotes from the Bible, which has been rewritten like 1000x times if you actually get your history right. And dinosaurs did exist for you dummies.
All I say to say is... Read the Revelations. All this is bound to happened. Everything is in Lords hands. All we have to do is have faith. Lord will provide, no matter who the president is.
To Anonymous:
Christians do not hate gays and lesbians and yes we know very well that they are flesh and blood just as we are flesh and blood. That is not the issue. The issue is that we all are born into this world infected with this disease and that Jesus is the only cure. That is the truth and it is not a distortion. To live with the disease and accept it as right is the distortion.
To live fully means to be cured of sin and that includes the sin of addiction to alcohol or drugs, gluttony with food, or sexual diseases like homosexuality. We are all corrupted in many ways but there is a cure and for those who have gone through that fire we are called to preach the cure. That is the love that God requires of us not the continued acceptance of a lifestyle that is spiritually dead and is fatal for those who are infected with it. This is not because of a hatred for you; it is from the hatred of the disease that infects you.
It is a common argument by unbelievers that we should not “judge” but that is quite irrational. We are, throughout all Scripture, admonished to reject sin and to do good. That is not possible unless you can judge right from wrong. Judging sin as being wrong is completely different than judging people’s souls, which is what is meant and we accept that only God can do that.
I think Kimberly said it well. She opposes anyone that would deny her access to heal someone with the disease. To be a Christian means we are called to do that. If you were honest with yourself, you would see that it is you that HATES and are HATEFUL and it distorts your whole view of life. However, it is a completely natural reaction – for all of us – before we know Christ. I will be praying for you. PS. We do believe in dinosaurs.
i am a white man and i want to tell all my black brothers I LOVE YOU DONT LET the devil lie to you .these false pastors and blind leaders think john mccain is on the lords side . john mccain hates the poor and the lord of glory has seen mccain greed . the false pastor can fast for the rest of the year it will not work john mccain has lost . the lord has showed me obama will win . thats why there so scared and trying to decive the church .please all you false pastor go read jer 23. you do not talk for the lord . I did not vote for any one
This just in (its a joke so don't lose it now)
God Makes Endorsement in '08 Elections - Pundits call Most High's Pick "stunner"
In a startling turn of events, one of the candidates for president of the US picked up the blessing of the most unexpected celebrity, the good Lord, this weekend.
In a statement delivered by Angel Gabriel to TBN, CBN and a handful of networks partly funded by His faithful, the good Lord explained that it was quite out of keeping for him to comment on political events. However after Oprah spoke and then Gen Colin Powell, it was pretty much left for the trinity to chime in. Said one media analyst, "After Joe the plumber took the headlines, it was time for J the carpenter to weigh in!"
"Politics is kind of a mixed bag for us being monarchs and all. Of course we invented free will so we do understand freedom of choice in this setting. By making an endorsement we are sending a message that no one party has monopoly of access or exclusive rights reserved on divinity," the Most High stated.
"Over the ages, a lot has been done by rulers in our name that has completely not had our endorsement.
In fact we had a pretty ugly experience 2000 years ago with the Roman authorities and the Pharisees when, on a scheduled official visit to Jerusalem, one of us got brutally clobbered "in God's name." But that is besides the point at the moment as we are awaiting judgment on the pending litigation," He added.
While the statement did not name the preferred candidate, it did give a hint - sort of like the the Da Vinci Code.
Proverbs 16:32
Better a patient man than a warrior,
a man who controls his temper than one who takes a city.
Asked to clarify, Angel Gabriel said, " Watch the last debate. Go figure." Asked if God was endorsing Obama because Obama was black, Gabriel replied," Black? What's that? We only recognize boys and girls."
The statement concluded that this endorsement was purely symbolic as the Almighty does not have voting rights under the American constitution even though it is, technically, His own country.
Thanks so much Dr. Daniels for standing up for the sake of righteousness.
I don't think people realize what is actually going on in the Spirit right now. God is truly checking to see who is on His side and unfortunately the church is failing miserably.
My heart is broken, but I know well the Scripture, there will be 5 wise virgins and 5 foolish. We are watching this unfold right before our very eyes!
Lord help us to make the right choice, not according to man's doctrine, but Your's.
I'm standing shoulder to shoulder with You!
Rev. Charlana Kelly
mypenfortruth.blogspot.com
Thank you for you honesty. I really needed that to get back on track and I believe every word you wrote was from God. May God guide you and keep you.
Thank you so much for standing by the truth. It is only the truth that can set America and the world free. The devil has no power but decieves people. We stand and remain united in prayer for America. Let God arise let His enemies be scattered in Jesus' Name! Psalm 68:1-2
Thank you for being a bold daughter of our Father God. This election is separating the wheat from the chaff and revealing the hearts of many.
By their fruits you will know them should be the 2008 election campaign title.
This is a nice blog. It is great to see various opinions. My question is, when will the church stand up? We seek the president/political figures to implement what we should be doing. I too disagree with homosexual marriages and abortion however when are we going to go out and stand up and tell people about the love of God? When are we going to pray for our brothers and sisters and Christ who fall into bondage of homosexuality? I'm not saying that folks aren't praying but things are getting worse so what are we as the church going to do differently than we've been doing? We trusted Bush to come in and stop abortions and homosexuality. I remember voting for him myself. I was very young and I decided to vote for righteousness. How about since he has been in office, homosexual marriages are now legal in three states? How about since he has been in office abortion rates have soared. I mean come on people open your eyes. I'm not saying Obama is right. I'm not saying McCain is right. All I'm saying is we need to be the church and get on our faces, pray and witness to people. I talk to my friends who are still in the world and they laugh at us trying to enforce through politics yet live our own lives in sin. They are watching us. Lets get our lives together live holy and do what we are called to do so we can see change in this earth.
Apostle Kim,
your words are both enlightening and encouraging. i thank God for your boldness, more specifically as an African American female, seeing that we are severely attacked in the area of speaking out as women and not being accused of being Jezebels. there is so much i did not see because i did not understand until encountering you and your God given ministry. this article speaks volumes to the state of the heart of the church and what we should UNITEDLY stand on when it comes to this election! through it all, i trust God and will be praying for whomever He allows to lead this country. i have zero trust in either candidate, thus i am grateful for the opportunity to go deeper in my faith in this next chapter in America. thanks for the enlightenment on Sarah Palin in your Commander Alert. i appreciate you speaking the truth and i 100% agree. thanks, because the Words Holy Spirit speaks through you challenge me to be stronger in my convictions. in my past, i had three abortions (as birth control i might add). i have since repented and received God's forgiveness. i was asking the Lord this morning, to help me stronger in my stance against abortion. i sometimes feel i don't have the right to stand FIRM since i've had three. but the devil is a liar!!! who better to stand firm than someone who can speak form experience. i didnt' know about Chemosh and Molech until encountering your ministry. i didn't know about child sacrifice still existing through this method of killing babies. i am now enlightened. reading this article today was confirmation for my prayer that went up this morning. God is strengthening His people to do His work and speak out for His cause. as i am educated and spiritually led, i will not be silenced. thank God for your obedience, without fear! you be blessed, your family be covered, you ministry prosper, and charisma magazine be a landmark in the media arena for ministry. God Bless.
Kim Daniels said: As a prophet of God I prophesy that five of you have six months to repent and wholeheartedly turn the other way, or God is coming to visit you. This thing must be because judgment must start in His house!
That IS NOT a prophecy, Ms. Daniels.
It's vague and unable to be verified (and actually, it sounds kind of silly). Anybody can say that and call themselves a prophet.
You need to be exposed.
Thank you for your courage! I agree wholeheartedly...
wow....
Charisma, what are you ?
A wordldy magazine or God oriented one? lee Grady, after blackmailing african prophets, and barack obama, you now look for blacks to support and comfort your position. how many scriptures do you quote in your so called news. Do you know what God think of Obama and Mc cain ? you should ! Do you understand the world going up and down ? you should ? do you know power and authority come from God , not from YOUR CRITICS ? God is not a conservative God. this is the law of the Spirit . who do you prefer ? the one who tolerate the choice of abortion or the one who sell youngters to death in Irak ? to kill a baby or to kill a father i know you are able to choose brother grady. I can't!
Patrice
I'm glad you're renouncing Republicans too, as part of the poorly constructed, totally unspecific, and theologically dishonest strawman that you've made and torched right here before us.
Go out and get yourself some facts. That means do a little bit of research and reading on ALL sides of the issues. Talk to some people who think differently than you. But Good Lord quit feeding us these unsubstantiated, wild-ass claims and trying to pin them to Obama.
john mccain said today in ohio . that joe the plummer was his hero . and if he wins he will take joe the plummer to washington. in case you dont know joe the plummer was found out to be a liar no wounder john mccain called him his hero and you are going to tell me the LORD IS ON HIS SIDE? EVEN REPUBLICANS ARE GOING OVER TO obama you got blind pastors telling there sheep to vote for mccain the baby killer listen you pastors who want mccain you have been deceived john mccain did not want palin for vp. he wanted joe leberman . dr evil said he would not vote for him so he took palin that is why to deceive the church. i herd a pastor say he wants mccain but he said his whole church will vote for obama . wow the sheep has seen the light mccain keeps on lieing but the blind pastors just play like they dont here it they love to bash gay people . in bible it says liars will be cast in the fire. but the pastors say keep on lieing the lord is with you read jer 23. if any one here belives that being gay is a bigger sin then being a liar you are decived repent I am white minister of the lord and I am not gay But the church has bashed the guy people so bad. we need to reach out to them in JESUS love AND LEAD THEM TO THE LORD AND JESUS WILL SET THEM FREE BY THE POWER OF HIS BLOOD SO I call on every pastor on here to stop the hate . and pick up your cross and follow JESUS .
JESUS IS THE ONLY ANSWER TO STOP THE KILLING OF THE UNBORN AND THat IS PREACHING THE GOSPEL TO THE LOST not preaching about money but the cross both rep and dem are not the answer there is only one that is JESUS i did not vote but but the lord has showed me obama will win . and i was no way a black man can win but that is what will happen I LOVE BLACK PEOPLE . LIKE THE BIBLE FROM SLAVERY TO KING HOUSE SO LETS ALL REPENT
A Form of Silence from the Church
This is a time when the Church should have been boldly speaking out, but its voice has not been heard. What has silenced the Church? Has it been the government? Has it been “We the People of the United States of America ”? Has it been our society? Can we blame it on atheism? How about the devil? No, I don’t believe it is any of these. It is what is known as FEAR, False Evidence Appearing Real! Yes, we have fear in the Church!
There is so much evidence that the Church is allowing a FORM called 501 3(c) to silence its voice in our land. Could the Church be in fear? Yes! It is!
We have stood back and allowed our spiritual tongues to be cut out of our mouths because we wanted to maintain a non-profit status. Give it up!
For the sake of our Nation, give it up! For the sake of Christianity, give it up! We are currently experiencing “War on American Soil” because we have not kept that war out of our land. Soon, there will no longer be a 501 3(c) available to the Churches. The plans of the devil are to not just cut out the tongue of the Church, but to murder the Church, and to stamp out any evidence of its existence from our society.
Right in front of our very eyes, we have been watching daily on the news, a cult come in and carry away hundreds of thousands of people with the message of “Hope”. The people are flocking to a false type of Messiah for hope. If you have ever been involved in a cult, you will know that the first tactic they use is to gain the trust of the people, and give them a form of hope. From the leadership they will appear to gain a false sense of acceptance, and hope. At first, it will give the false appearance that everyone is accepted. But once the trust of the people has been gained, and the people are lured by that false acceptance, the next element to be put in place is fear. Once these principles are under way, the real agenda will be made known. The truth is, if you don't share the same beliefs, or if you are not willing to conform to their belief system, then you will be eliminated. A cult has no tolerance for anyone that does not bow their knee to the same God as they do. They will go to any length to exterminate anyone and everyone.
Is this going to take place in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave? Yes! The average American seems to think that there is no way that could happen here. That is the reason why it can. Pride! You better believe it is possible! The people are ready to believe anything that offers them any form of hope. Even though it is false hope!
I ask you, where is the Church? Where is the voice of the Church? I hear the voice of many crying out in utter desperation. The sound is coming up, and getting louder and louder. The faces of the people will soon turn and give the appearance of utter desperation. I ask you, where is the Church? Where is the voice of the real hope? The voice of one crying out in the wilderness “Prepare ye the way of the Lord” is crying out across our land! Jesus our King is coming! Where is His Church? Hiding behind a document that prohibits them from speaking out? Tear up the document, give up that status, it is costing us dearly!
It is time that men of God in leadership fall on their faces and cry out, and repent. We have a land that needs to be healed NOW! The Church has been in fear! It is time to pick up our weapons and go to war on our soil. Shake off fear and speak out!
God Bless you, I Know a black man who was my boss befor I retired.
He is against Obama, but his fellow black men are up in arms against him for it. I pray that God will open more blacks eyes before Nov. 4. Again God bless you, a born again believer!!
I am thoroughly disappointed with your view of this election as well as many 'so-called' Christian views of our first African-American presidential nominee.
This is the exact behavior that brought Jesus to earth! So much bias, predjudices, and high-mindedness coming from the Christian community.
You had to dig really deep to obtain this article!! I'm just disgusted with your view and your magazine and may of those Christian Leaders who share your philosphy.
Whether it be now or later...Change is Coming to America, and like most leaders the person will not be perfect, but he will be equipped for the task and "purpose" at hand.
Please get back to "real" witnessing in your magazine!!! Thanks.
Kimberly, Jesus showed us how we are to pray (by grace), "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do!"
As Christians, we are told to inspect the fruit ('you will know them by their fruit'). I stopped looking for a candidate as soon as I saw one of them supported abortion. Kimberly is absolutely correct- pro-choice in the Bible is worshiping the God who sacrificed children. plain and simple.
In the kingdom there is no color! We see from Miriam's punishment how God feels about racial discrimination when she dared to speak against Moses' choice of a wife.
Jer 23:29: Is not my word like as a fire? Saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
As Christians, we do not have an opinion or point of view. It's HIS word that works, not ours! His WORD is our word because we are His ambassadors (we are not to be conformed to this world).. God's WORD works-
Speaking strictly to the body: Let's stop talking about everything else (sex,race, political party, experience or lack of experience) and be a doer of HIS word!
Kimberly, I hear the Lord saying, "I have prepared you for, such a time as this, you good and faithful servant!" Praise God for your light sister and may He continue to bless you as He continues to lead you.
Pastor Kim, I really think you missed it. I recently had a chance to attend both rallies and you would be appalled at the "Spirit" at the GOP rallies. There was an atmosphere of hatred, separation, division, and hostility amongst anyone who was protesting against John McCain. On the other hand, at the Barack Obama rally there was laughter, fun, unity, and respect for anyone protesting Barack Obama. As you stated you will know them by their fruit they bear. After the last rally I made decision to switch my vote from John McCain to Barack Obama. God doesn't favor any party. He favors His divine will and I believe His will is with Barack Obama.
Thanks for your wise words at an opportune time like this. Iam really really saddened at what I have been reading coming from the church folk concerning this election you are about to have.
To start with, I am black from southern africa and I do not stay in the USA. But I just want to say a few thoughts to my brothers and sisters who will vote come Nov 4. Much as you want you can either vote for Obama or Mccain depending on your convictions. But wait a minute have you prayed about it, or your arguement is just that because he's black, he talks well and Iam black so Í'll vote for him. Or Mccain is white and I am white I'll vote for him. What I can advise you as a Believer is that you pray and then do what the Lord tells you to do. Dont listen to what people say 'cause some are very good and eloquent speakers whilst others are not and you are in a danger of choosing eloquency instead of what God wills for America. The goodness with our God is that He doesn't choose for us instead He has given us this free will choice. God told the children of Isreal that they were free either for them to continue under Him or they choose a king like other nations since this is what they wanted. And they chose to have king. God told them what a king would do to them (i.e. make them slaves, demand more from them etc). That's how king Saul came about and problems started for Isreal.
The point Im making is that your choice matters very much. It's not just Obama or Mccain you are voting. No. The fight here is between Good and Evil. The war in this world is just between these two Good & Evil. It's not even between America & Iraq, Israel and Iran, No, No,. Get to the spiritual side and you will see what is at stake. Im neither for Obama nor McCain but for what God wants. Remember God would even use heathen kings like Cyrus to build Jerusalem. (God stirred up the spirit of Cyrus ...). Now let me ask, of the two guys who do you think would God stir up? One who already disputes what God's Word says or one who does not? Answer!Both can be stired up. One for bad and the other for good. America can bring blessings or curses upon itself depending on the choice it makes. Remember to much bloodshed brings curses upon the land and leaders can facilitate the shedding of blood depending on what they allow in their nation. When God would want to punish Isreal, He would just allow the people to choose a wrong King who would commit abominations in the land and this would bring judgement on the land.
So if you want Obama go for him and wait for the consequences of choosing him and so the same for McCain.
Today choice is put before you between "Good and Evil", between "Life & Death" and I encourage you to choose Life over death. I know some will argue with me now but I can only say that you wait and see, time will tell whether one was on God's side or not. I only pray that you and I should live and not die to see the result of your choice. The problem I've seen in this great nation of yours is that the believers have stopped looking to God and now they are looking to the government, man and themselves to solve problems. Let me assure you and Im no prophet of doom, no government, and i say it again no government here on earth will solve your problems but ony and only the government of the Lord Jesus Christ will and it is coming. So for now let us allow the Jesus government in our lives and we will not despair despite what is happening.
In my own analysis, and if I were to vote I would vote for McCain though I'm black and he is white. Why? He is open looking the answers he has given on his personal life - his failed first marriage. It takes a great man and leader to mention his weakness. Obama is not forthright in his answering. He potrays a perfect life that dos not make mistakes or which makes very small/minute mistakes. This to me is not possible for a person of that age.
Please vote with the wisdom from God. Bye and God trully bless America.
Hi Kim (sister in Christ)
Thank you for your zeal and for standing in this hour so boldly for the love of our Daddy God's beautiful words to us through the Bible.It is the only true markers to follow in this world and I am sooooo pleased to hear sooooo many sisters and brothers agree too.
I just want to add that shamefully I too had an abortion when I was younger and it was for no other reason than to do away selfishly what I saw as a problem in my life at the time.It was soooo easy to get one and it was over pretty quickly.
I must tell readers that the quick decision I made to terminate my pregnancy has haunted me to this day. Without the love, mercy and forgiveness of Jesus Christ towards me for this act of great sin I would have killed myself too. Let us not forget to cry out for mercy for those women who are left after they terminated their pregnancies too in hopelessness and great despair. We are not told of these women who no longer feel the will to live because Satan has convinced them that they are unforgivable. I vote pro life and also include the lives that are taken by suicide from the many women that have had an abortion and have not been reached by a christian who can tell them or show them Jesus's rich and loving mercy, compassion and true forgiveness He has for them..... and too let them know that their baby is now safe in His arms and that they will see him/her again.
Keep up the boldness and I am proud of you sister. I am a white sister of yours but do know that we bold bleed red.I love you and can't wait for the day we will see our Precious Lord and Savior, but know we have much work to do to get His message of salvation out there in the world so others too will be free.
I myself are sick of the republican-democratic debate and how Christian automatically assume that all republicans on are on God's side. Neither party is entirely on God's side..when you vote you vote for the man who is best equipped to do the job..what da heck can any president do about abortion? We have had 3 republican serving a period of 20 years in the last 28 and abortion is still a problem. But as a Chrisitan i am suppose vote only on the issue of abortion when there are so many issues plagueing the country?
As a Christian I am ademently opposed to abortion but where is the solution? In a republican president or in the church doing what the church is suppose to do?
Has not the church been called to be light and salt? Meaning have we not been called to address the root issues that give rise to immorality in the first place?
Have we not been called to be not only hearers of the word but do-ers also..If the Church in America was soled out to God, if we loved him with all of our heart, bodies, souls, and minds, if we lived as living sacrifices, if we were not the church in name only but in deeds also, if we were not conformed to the world...do you think the moral ills of this society would be soooo dominent and runing roughshod on the lives of people?
Us religeous folks love to get into the debates about abortion, prayer in schools, homosexuality, etc when we can't even Obey God in the smallest matters..the church is fighting for the sanctity of marriage but yet what do we have to boast about? A 50% divorce rate that mirrors the unbeliever?
Lets get serious here...we have more issues to worry about as the church than to spend our time debating which candidate is for GOd and which is not...God will bless this country when the church gets it act together not based on whether or not a President supports abortion or anything else...
When the church gets it act together then the country will be blessed.
We think that voting once every fours years for a democrat or republican will change the tide of what is going on in this country?
Do not trust in horses and chariots..trust in God.
The writer's article seems to implie that well Obama is not on God's side so Macain must be the candidate that is on God's side..I will not go into detail but a look at his background would prove otherwise..WAKE UP PEOPLE REPUBLICAN DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME GODLINESS..
Lets put ourseves in God's shoes..because we seem to think God will curse this country on the basis of who we vote for..So you tell me how much better would he react to Mccain than obama given Mccain's track record.
God is not republican and neither is he democrat...and he sure as heck isnt worried about who is being voted into office because his dealings with the United States will depend on his dealings with HIS church in the United States.
This election has exposed the western church most serious flaw: its cozy relationship with and dependence on the politcal process to advance its claims and purposes.
The fact is that both parties could care less about the righteousness which of God. Politics and public policy is going to reflect the morals, culture and values of the masses of people it represents. The role of the church is to impact the culture through the gospel, lived out by ordinary people in everyday life. When we stand as voice to articulate any particular politician or party we have lost our prophetic voice altogether.
Pastor Kim, you have the right to say as your heart and the Spirit of God leads you but be careful that you do not become the perfect pawn in a political machine and a country that is being dismantled due to the judgment of God.
Pastor Steven Furr
Amen to that Pastor Furr...amen to that
For you who disagree with Kimberly Daniels it okay, but know this woman of God has a track record and what she says comes to pass. You may mock her and say all manner of evil against her and even distance your self from her with in the body of Christ, but be careful what you say about her for the judgement of God is coming quickly and you are not touching her you are touching God. Some of you are going to be dealt with so quickly because you hold the truth in unrightousness, meaning you know the truth but you don't live it. This is no time to play with God, either you are on his side or you are friends with the devil. Be careful mockers, be very careful, if I were you I would repent, God is yet merciful and we can always go boldly to the throne of grace, and obtain mercy in the time of need. Time is running out and some need to run to God and get it right in a hurry, the bible clearly says TOUCH NOT MY ANOINTED AND DO MY PROPHETS NO HARM, how do you touch them by putting your mouth on them and mocking them and trying to discredit what they say. Its okay to disagree but dont't mock God's true prophetic voices. As the days unfold you will see that this woman of God spoke the truth when it was unpopular, and some of you are going to seek her out when the truth begans to unfold. Selah(pause think about that).
This article blessed me so so much Pastor Kim. As Christians we need to stand up for righteousness when we vote and not go with "popular culture" says. As a fairly young Christian, I'm 22 and being surrounded by friends are are voting for Obama, it is intimidating to say that I am going to vote for McCain but now this is something that I KNOW the Lord has brought to me to strengthen me in standing for righteousness! Let's vote for what the Word of God says and not what this world says.
Mark 9:7
-Noah from CA
I didn't read every response, but many so I don't know if anyone notices that 2nd Chronicles 7:13 comes before verse 14...and historically judgement and destruc-tion occur before repentance and turning, like the 8 times in the book of Judges. Are we any wiser or
different than they? I doubt it. In
Isaiah 26:8-21 the failure to respond to convictions of truth,begin with judgements,bring-
ing "His Body" to repentance for "not having wrought any deliverance in the earth" and re-turning us to single eye focus, so
our cries would rise to Him as the cries of the children of Israel in Egyptian bondage. The last of the 7
Spirits of God, is the Spirit of Fear of the Lord God, and will shortly manifest in our midst, so get the coffins ready....
aloha to all of you,
there are so many tit for tats going here. Just a simple thought. The Big C church is mostly broken, just watch us sell "Christianity" and "blessing" on television. The normal people of the world are sick of our preaching. We are no different than big business, or big government...we have forgotten what Jesus said to us and are busy doing our thing. We are already under judgment and it starts in house. Let's get off our self righteous pulpits, doctrine, and arguments for what is right and live right, loving God and loving others. Jesus talked about the kingdom over 100 times and the church twice. We have created what He hated and condemned. We need to grow up, humble ourselves and realize it isn't about getting people to do what we think they need to do. We need to live it with His extreme grace poured out on us every day because we are not perfect, not one of us, most of all me. Can we bestow that same grace on others...that would be kingdom thinking and would change people to where they might listen to us. Man's laws will not save us from judgment and cannot change how people act. We don't need to prepare for war in the spirit, it is here and much of the enemy's tactics are played out by members of our churches. The elect are deceived now. Hang on as we are hurtling towards something so big and profound that we cannot fathom it. Our churches won't be able to help us, our government won't be able to help us. Only a real relationship with the one that cares for you will get you through. But...if you send an offering of $2400 I know that our God will give you the 10 times anointing. Don't fool yourself...judgement is at the doorstep and it isn't because of Mr. Obama. 2nd chronicles says that if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray...AND TURN FROM THEIR WICKED WAYS! There it is, it starts with us.
aloha, Don
Kim - Thank you for these honest and strong words.
You are a fine example, a woman of God, and a true American.
~SN~
I applaud you Kim for your stance for righteousness bottom line...everyone else who criticizes just plain and simple don't get it and their eyes are still blinded. I applaud You Kim and I applaud Steve Strang. Continue to stand for righteousness and what is right...as christians there is only the right way...no flip flopping, its either you agree with the word of God or you do not....and if you playing it safe then you are a hyprocrite....Kim bravo bravo your reward will be great in heaven...I too am black and stood by my moral conviction to do the right thing and vote for life, righteousness, support of Israel the apple of Gods eyes, our childrens future and future generations....in doing so I stood and was rediculed by other black so-called christians who believe with all their heart voting for Obama is the right thing to do, all they kept looking at was his deceptive elloquent way of speaking and demeanor...the devil is a liar...even a top minister and leader as Juanita Bynum and TD Jakes is taken by Obama...like Kim said they are switching sides only to appease their flesh and not take the stand for righteousness...what would Jesus do... voting for Obama will bring Gods judgement on this country....God help us all....as christians we are suppose to stand for Gods ways not the worlds way...not cnn, cbs, abc and nbc way.
Psychological profile of Obama. Shocking beyond words.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html
That was the dumbest piece of speculative rhetoric i ever read!
So Obama uses the term change because he wants to decieve us into voting for him? As if we do not need change from the policies of the last 8 years?
When Obama says that we are in bad shape as a country because of the last 8 years he is smearing President Bush? mmm..popularity rating speaks for itself dont you think?
I also read alot of stuff about his demeanor..what about Mccain's demeanor (anger, discontect, fustration) during the debates.
Mccain hasn't lied and slandered Obama?
Is it wrong for a candidate to advocate change when there obvisouly needs to be change?
Furthermore..the write took snapshots of Obama at certain moments and placed labels under them to depict him as some self percieved superior or magistrate.
This is one of the poorest (among many) arguements that i have seen to vote for the other guy..right up there with the "no experience" argument..sometimes it is the "experience" politicians that have nothing to offer us but the same o same o..pandering, selt interest, special interest, driven by ideology instead of common sense, etc
neither one is God's gift to humanity so vote as God would lead you..and dont automatically assume that means a republican
Pastor Kim,
While I certainly respect you as a woman of God, I must make a couple of points in regard to your updated post. First, let me say that I am opposed to abortion with the exception of extreme physical situations. I am against the gay agenda, gay marriage, and lifestyle. (I am not on the DL, nor do I harbor secret homosexual feelings or habits... I am happily marriage with 6 beautiful children) The problem that I have with the point of view espoused by you and J. Lee is that you seem to come across as though these issues/sins are the only issues/sins facing our nation/world.
Both of you have been very clear in attempting to articulate the things that you feel are wrong with Obama and why you feel that he is not the candidate to lead this nation, but neither of you have said anything about McCain....
Throughout this process, I have not seen him openly express his faith any more than the average politician running for office. He has made general/generic "faith" statements that they all make. Has he openly made a declaration of the Lordship of Jesus Christ in his life? No, he hasn't and he won't.
Eight years ago, J. Lee and so many that agree with him, hailed President Bush as this great man of faith, integrity, etc... but that was not the word the Lord gave me about him before he was ever elected. The Spirit of the Lord had shown me before Bush ever became President that he was NOT the man so many were hailing him to be and I was shown in a series of dreams during that time that he would lead us into a war in which there would be much confusion and chaos. Did I allow what I was shown to me during that time to stop me from fulfilling my responsibility as a Christian in praying for him, No, but the fact remained that what I was shown was, in fact born out over his 2 terms in office.
My problem with Charisma, Bro. Strang and Bro. Grady is their one sided journalism, if they can call it that... I have yet to hear any of them speak concerning McCain's highly questionable decisions, past associations and marriage history, but yet they have attempted to leave no stone unturned, even to the point of finding stones and placing them where they want them to be as it relates to Obama and his candidacy...
This is one of the main reasons why there are some, including myself that believe that unresolved and unrepented racism is at the heart of Bro. Grady's position as well as Bro. Strang's and like yourself, I do not back down from my position.
As a nation, we keep wanting the government to legislate morality and that most likely will not happen. The true Church must arise and take the lead in this...
"Will (God) curse this country on the basis of who we vote for"
Yes he will. Vote for a pro-choice candidate and see what the consequences will be in YOUR life.
http://www.stevequayle.com
/News.alert/08_Prophetic/
081103.authority.html
You reap exactly what you sow....
Well then i better not vote at all because to suggest that the abortion issue is the only thing that God is worried about is ludicris..i am sure that the republicans have some issues that warrents God's judgement as well!
We have had slavery, racism, a neglect of the poor since the inception of this country, but God only cares about the abortion issue? There are a whole plethora of issues that have the potential to bring God's wrath and jugement..
And be sure that voting Mccain will not put an end to any of them...the fact of the matter is that its narrow-minded to assume that God will only bless this country if one particular party is in office
Rosie B.,
"If you would take the blinders off your eyes, it is pretty apparent that Obama is actually more godly and disciplined than the McCain/Palin gang. Could it just be that Jesus the messiah was completely unnoticed as such by the religious elders of his day because he didn't quite fit the mold of what they expected? He didn't wash his hands before eating (a grave breaking of judean law), he hung out way too much with sinners (maybe even seemed to coddle them by tolerating their presence) and he worked on the sabbath, among many other "sins" He committed in their eyes. But the word lets us know that Jesus was blameless before God.
All I can say is let's pray hard for God's will for America to be done. Not for our favorite team, but for God's will."
After all that you have said Rosie, you have presented a mute argument. In saying that you would choose good governance over God is to denounce God. You obviously then DON'T believe in the absolute truth of God's Word. If I were you, I would ask President-elect Obama why he believes that the Bible should not be used as a reference for Christians and non-Christians in order to create good public policy, and why he has made attempts to label the Bible as "hate literature" because it states homosexuality is a sin.
As people of God, we can righteously judge someone who calls themselves a Christian based on the fruit of their lives. The fruit of Obama's life does not speak of God and Christians can righteously make that statement without being "judgmental" as you call it. If Christians didn't judge the fruit of people's lives then why tell the sinner about Christ. We should all leave it to God and see what happens when sinners die. There would be no point then to God's commandment to go into all the world to preach the gospel.
Think about it, keep praying, but don't forget to STAND UP FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS!
Dear Kim,
I agree 150%, my friends who voted for Obama went for color. Not for what the man stood for or for Godly ways. They read their bible but don't walk in a Godly manner. I am saddened by the Christians with no backbone, if they all voted for Godly moral ways we would have a landslide election. My friends don't want to talk to me about the Election, I say it is not about the Election it is about God.
May God have mercy on the USA.
Sincerely,
Barbara A. Mullens
Bethlehem, PA
I am deeply saddened and troubled where our courntry is headed over the next years to come. I am certainly NOT a racist. I would have not voted for Oboma if he was green with white polka dots or white with brown hair. And I don't vote for a party. I vote for what's wrong and what's right. And anyone who doesn't line up with God's word is not my candidate. For those of you who are talking about abortion, it is not the "old abortion laws" that are being referred to. Obama and the Democrats have long wanted to bring in Patial birth abortion into the US. If you don't know what this is, you must read about it. It is absolutely disgusting and shameful that our country would stoop to such measures. Basically, the baby is completely delivered but the head and them the brains are sucked out while they are still alive. That is why the issue of abortion is being talked about by Christians. I know what Obama has stood for and does stand for and is saddens me for our nation and our children.
May God Continue to Bless our Counrty and have mercy on us
Those who prayed for God's will have had their prayers answered! Barack Obama is God's choice. Let's pray for him as scripture instructs.
Thank you! You spoke clearly, cutting through the dross that is covering the truth.
I would love to get to know you - however we live in Brazil, sharing God's Good News.. . a little ways from Florida. . . . but from our vantage point, the world is watching the United States . . . and the picture we are seeing is not pretty.
God bless you and keep you strong.
Voni
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